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NTSSA and dual referees
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NTSSA and dual referees
With all the talk of ref shortages this season why is NTX opposed to the dual system ? It would result in better games then running one short or with a parent.
my2cents- TxSoccer Addict
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Re: NTSSA and dual referees
3-person crew is a US Youth Soccer Association policy. Duals are acceptable in US Club Soccer and UIL, but HUGE no-no in US Youth.
coachdom- TxSoccer Addict
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Re: NTSSA and dual referees
agreed above. Only approved to use a "club Linesman" which is the spectator/parent that helps out but is only allowed to show direction of throw-ins, cannot call offside or fouls.
twotone- TxSoccer Postmaster
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Re: NTSSA and dual referees
Dual system is not approved in US Club Soccer. US Club is affiliated with the US Soccer Federation which MUST follow FIFA laws. See the attached link on where US Club Soccer fits in the organizational structure..
http://www.ussoccer.com/About/About-Home/Organizational-Structure.aspx
USSF answer (November 4, 2008):
As a member of FIFA, the world governing body of soccer, the U. S. Soccer Federation must follow the requirements of FIFA, the International F. A. Board (the people who make the Laws of the Game), and the Laws themselves.
The Laws of the Game require the diagonal system of control: one referee, two assistant referees, and a fourth official in some competitions. Rules of other competitions may require other officials. Organizations and members affiliated with U. S. Soccer are expected to use the diagonal system of control for all competitive matches.
The dual system of control has been examined by FIFA and the IFAB and found wanting.
http://www.ussoccer.com/About/About-Home/Organizational-Structure.aspx
USSF answer (November 4, 2008):
As a member of FIFA, the world governing body of soccer, the U. S. Soccer Federation must follow the requirements of FIFA, the International F. A. Board (the people who make the Laws of the Game), and the Laws themselves.
The Laws of the Game require the diagonal system of control: one referee, two assistant referees, and a fourth official in some competitions. Rules of other competitions may require other officials. Organizations and members affiliated with U. S. Soccer are expected to use the diagonal system of control for all competitive matches.
The dual system of control has been examined by FIFA and the IFAB and found wanting.
happyfeet- TxSoccer Postmaster
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Re: NTSSA and dual referees
More specifically what exactly are the faults that are found with it. I can see the rules being in place for adult or very high level tournaments ( at which you would not be short anyway). At the league level though it would be better than having a parent AR. There are many FIFA rules which are altered for youth play. Why not this one?
my2cents- TxSoccer Addict
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Re: NTSSA and dual referees
Well, this is just "My2cents", but having done both, I can tell you that the coverage at the middle of the field is pretty poor. In order to handle accurate offside calls, the ref needs to be at least close to the 2nd to last defender. This will often mean that play in the midfield is pretty far from both referees. Effectively, what you end up often seeing is missed offside calls when the ref cheats up a bit to get better midfield coverage or poor foul recognition in the midfield when the reerees stay back near the 2nd to last defender. Another issue (more at the high school level) is one less pair of eyes to see the crap that goes on off the ball. Again, just my personal experience.my2cents wrote:More specifically what exactly are the faults that are found with it. I can see the rules being in place for adult or very high level tournaments ( at which you would not be short anyway). At the league level though it would be better than having a parent AR. There are many FIFA rules which are altered for youth play. Why not this one?
Finally, it is my understanding that this is a law that FIFA/USSF does not allow to be altered...even if you wanted to do it.
happyfeet- TxSoccer Postmaster
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Re: NTSSA and dual referees
I just assumed it was cuz it gave one less referee for the parents to scream at and accuse of losing the game for their team......my2cents wrote:More specifically what exactly are the faults that are found with it. I can see the rules being in place for adult or very high level tournaments ( at which you would not be short anyway). At the league level though it would be better than having a parent AR. There are many FIFA rules which are altered for youth play. Why not this one?
twotone- TxSoccer Postmaster
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Re: NTSSA and dual referees
twotone wrote:I just assumed it was cuz it gave one less referee for the parents to scream at and accuse of losing the game for their team......my2cents wrote:More specifically what exactly are the faults that are found with it. I can see the rules being in place for adult or very high level tournaments ( at which you would not be short anyway). At the league level though it would be better than having a parent AR. There are many FIFA rules which are altered for youth play. Why not this one?
I think you are on to something here.
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