USA U19s humiliated at tourney in Spain

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Sure looked like they had a pretty good roster with several FCD players.   
http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/07/18/21/31/160718-u19mnt-friedel-names-22-player-roster-for-2016-cotif-tournament

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/usa-u19s-humiliated-at-tourney-in-spain_aid39542

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/08/watch-a-benches-clearing-brawl-at-the-end-of-a-u-s-u19-mnt-match/

earbucket wrote:Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Sure looked like they had a pretty good roster with several FCD players.   
http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/07/18/21/31/160718-u19mnt-friedel-names-22-player-roster-for-2016-cotif-tournament

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/usa-u19s-humiliated-at-tourney-in-spain_aid39542

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/08/watch-a-benches-clearing-brawl-at-the-end-of-a-u-s-u19-mnt-match/

"a good roster with several FCD players"? The problem with talent identification in the US continues. When you take several players from a top team (sometimes as many as 8 as in the younger group of California Academy players last year) you are rewarding good teams with spots on the US national team, not, neccesarily the the best players. I'm not saying anything about the players selected but you probably have a STUD on a bad team that doesn't show well because he is on a bad team. True identification happens when a scout can see through the team result and imagine what that elite boy on the inferior team can do when surrounded by talent. Again, I say, the USA should have 8=10 regional teams and play each other 15 times a year. Then take the best 22 from that pool of players.

The other issue is that the "best" player is largely dependent on system. The Stud on a long ball team might not be so studly on a more possession oriented team. Similarly, the kid pouring in goals on a possession oriented team might not fare so well on a team that plays more over the top. Always exceptions but style of play matters just as much in identification as its a key part in identifying the "best" players.

Until the US develops a consistent style of play, identifying the "best" players for the various National Teams is a comical endeavor bound to failure.

So much for all those FCD DA koolaid drinkers.

I would expect that national team scouts/coaches would take playing style into account during their decisions...but maybe I am too optimistic....

I have to agree with SDR that for a country this large (population and geography) it makes sense to regionalize the identification of players.

Wasn't ODP supposed to do that?

I think it's interesting nobody mentions the win against Spain.

ODP has been left behind

a closed and locked system will always result in limited or poor development and eventually the demise of whatever product you hope to produce. Our system is exactly like that verse the world. Particularly here in dfw, this club or that club has DA or this club is in this league and this one is not... it should be a open market , may the best player/team/club win and then watch what would happen, then you will see the best rise to the top. For years I have felt fcd needs to scrap its current youth model; have one or two teams in the oldest ages, build bridges with everyone and watch the top players flow to the top. We have it in other markets and hopefully we will see it sometime here in dfw.

The German wrote:Wasn't ODP supposed to do that?

I think it's interesting nobody mentions the win against Spain.

Spain did go on and win the tournament with a 3-1 victory over Argentina in extra time.  In the Spain-US game 3 of the 4 FCD players did not play.  McKennie as the captain was the only one to play.

earbucket wrote:

The German wrote:Wasn't ODP supposed to do that?

I think it's interesting nobody mentions the win against Spain.

Spain did go on and win the tournament with a 3-1 victory over Argentina in extra time.  In the Spain-US game 3 of the 4 FCD players did not play.  McKennie as the captain was the only one to play.

I thought he signed a pro contract in Germany and was gone already good for him though

In other "US Soccer and FC Dallas DA are crap" news, the U18 USMNT just won it's group, advancing to the final of the Vaclav Jezek Tournament Final v Czech Rep. after beating Russia 5-3 today.

Paxton Pomykal from the FCD DA scored in the match.

But let's not credit that or the win over Spain cited above. Much easier to lob stones from the peanut gallery.

Those other 3 FCD players would have made the difference!!! Mmmm hmmm.

For OD05.....Here we go USA!!! Next up the World Cup trophy!!!!! LOL!!!!!

The USA will colonize Mars and mine water from Europa and still will never win a World Cup or Copa America....get real man.

OP05 wrote:In other "US Soccer and FC Dallas DA are crap" news, the U18 USMNT just won it's group, advancing to the final of the Vaclav Jezek Tournament Final v Czech Rep. after beating Russia 5-3 today.

Paxton Pomykal from the FCD DA scored in the match.

But let's not credit that or the win over Spain cited above.  Much easier to lob stones from the peanut gallery.

PP from FCD? the one who's dad has all the right connections? Cannot wait to see all these FCD players at man u, Inter, Real Madrid and Barcelona!!!!

Don't mean to suggest these are not good players but you guys act like they could compare to European and South American players of the same age. Reality check guys come on.

OP05 wrote:In other "US Soccer and FC Dallas DA are crap" news, the U18 USMNT just won it's group, advancing to the final of the Vaclav Jezek Tournament Final v Czech Rep. after beating Russia 5-3 today.

Paxton Pomykal from the FCD DA scored in the match.

But let's not credit that or the win over Spain cited above.  Much easier to lob stones from the peanut gallery.

That's great. Did Servania play? Both of those players are really good.

Yes, both FCD players were in the starting 11. Congrats to them both.

For the peanut gallery, not sure where I said FCD has 18 world class players in the stable that will usher US Soccer to an era of global domination.

But it's the closest thing we have around here to a traditional, fully funded, club model like you would find overseas. And it's widely acknowledged to be among the best of the MLS academies. Is it Barcelona, obviously not. But it's progress. We just need 2000 more clubs like it to be relevant on the global stage. :-)

earbucket wrote:

OP05 wrote:In other "US Soccer and FC Dallas DA are crap" news, the U18 USMNT just won it's group, advancing to the final of the Vaclav Jezek Tournament Final v Czech Rep. after beating Russia 5-3 today.

Paxton Pomykal from the FCD DA scored in the match.

But let's not credit that or the win over Spain cited above.  Much easier to lob stones from the peanut gallery.

That's great.  Did Servania play?  Both of those players are really good.  

Riquelme Rises wrote:

The USA will colonize Mars and mine water from Europa and still will never win a World Cup or Copa America....get real man.

never is a long time

I think we are getting better. Our kids are competitive with overseas. Results are mixed. Some good, some not.

We have population and economic advantages but we are not taking advantage of them yet. The sport still needs to grow and evolve in the USA. Only 20 MLS clubs and a pay to play system are holding us back. But fully funded academies like FCD are a step in the right direction.

I am not sure we will ever get to the large numbers of professional leagues and teams of European countries. So I do wonder if US Soccer shouldn't take advantage of the great American tradition of school sports. School sports has great reach and it is tax payer funded.

OP05 wrote:In other "US Soccer and FC Dallas DA are crap" news, the U18 USMNT just won it's group, advancing to the final of the Vaclav Jezek Tournament Final v Czech Rep. after beating Russia 5-3 today.

Paxton Pomykal from the FCD DA scored in the match.

But let's not credit that or the win over Spain cited above.  Much easier to lob stones from the peanut gallery.

I think what seperates Mckennie from the other FCD is the fact that he has been doing international training since he was 10 or even younger I'm told so basically the way they explained it to me was he was trained overseas but used his training here on US competiton to sharpen his skills for this time in his life and I guess it payed off for him he is clearly the top FCD talent way ahead of his FCD peers

itsamoneygrab wrote:

OP05 wrote:In other "US Soccer and FC Dallas DA are crap" news, the U18 USMNT just won it's group, advancing to the final of the Vaclav Jezek Tournament Final v Czech Rep. after beating Russia 5-3 today.

Paxton Pomykal from the FCD DA scored in the match.

But let's not credit that or the win over Spain cited above.  Much easier to lob stones from the peanut gallery.

I think what seperates Mckennie from the other FCD is the fact that he has been doing international training since he was 10 or even younger I'm told so basically the way they explained it to me was he was trained overseas but used his training here on US competiton to sharpen his skills for this time in his life and I guess it payed off for him    he is clearly the top FCD talent way ahead of his FCD peers

Hasn't PP spent a lot of time in Europe doing training as well?

They both keep the ball on their feet constantly and are both Committed students of the game. Reminds me of other athletes in other sports who constantly challenge themselves to get more skill and gain more knowledge.

Pretty simple formula very Difficult to stay on Track.

earbucket wrote:

itsamoneygrab wrote:

OP05 wrote:In other "US Soccer and FC Dallas DA are crap" news, the U18 USMNT just won it's group, advancing to the final of the Vaclav Jezek Tournament Final v Czech Rep. after beating Russia 5-3 today.

Paxton Pomykal from the FCD DA scored in the match.

But let's not credit that or the win over Spain cited above.  Much easier to lob stones from the peanut gallery.

I think what seperates Mckennie from the other FCD is the fact that he has been doing international training since he was 10 or even younger I'm told so basically the way they explained it to me was he was trained overseas but used his training here on US competiton to sharpen his skills for this time in his life and I guess it payed off for him    he is clearly the top FCD talent way ahead of his FCD peers

Hasn't PP spent a lot of time in Europe doing training as well?

not even close but that little guy has spent about the same amount of time in Europe as the kids from the stars and stripes teams and some of the other Texans teams so not to sure but what I was told by a top FCD academy coach was that McKinney is the top FCD player hands down he didn't even mention pp other than something to do with his dad I really didn't pay to much attention at that point.

With the difference that he went for meaningful training and not a Kumbaya session with his friends at a meaningless tournament. Besides he spent over the years considerable more time over there than SNS players.

Yep big PP has spent an enourmous amount of personal resources to make sure junior PP is in the right place at the right time and surrounded by the right players.

Just to close out the team USA and FCD stink loop:

With a 4-2 victory in the final against host Czech Republic, the U-18 USMNT won the Václav Ježek Tournament.  

The aforementioned Paxton P, from FCD, scored again.

The German wrote:With the difference that he went for meaningful training and not a Kumbaya session with his friends at a meaningless tournament. Besides he spent over the years considerable more time over there than SNS players.

I take it the "he" is McKennie, but Kumbaya doesn't refer to PP, right? And what are SNS players? Serious, Not-so-serious players.