Luna & Leyva Cut by FCD?

Tweet by DRobertsonFCD: His Twitter quotes...

"FC Dallas has declined the options on Bryan Leyva, Ruben Luna, Bruno Guarda and Matias Jara...story to come soon.

Leyva and Luna are a bit of a surprise, but perhaps there is a message being sent to current and future HGs...have reaction from Schellas"

Sounds like piss poor player management to me.

They need to give these players a legit shot and more importantly, time...instead of recycling the same old retreads...

awesome...FCD will have more 30+ year old this upcoming season...youth is stupid to have on the soccer pitch...

Consider the FCD players that bypassed the 'Home Grown' program for college seem to be flourishing…

http://www.bigdsoccer.com/2012/11/6/3608182/fc-dallas-academy-london-woodberry-mikey-ambrose

The HG players lose college eligibility, right? So if they are cut from the pro club while still teenagers, they are out of college playing options.

thats not entirely true. They don't sutomatically lose elgibility. Besides I believe Luna was attending SMU and with the money he made he could afford to pay for his own college. Oh! I thought you said they were flourishing Both players are still just playing college ball and no closer to making it is a professional than luna or leyva. Really this says more about the management and head coach of FCD than anything. How long can he hold on to his job just because he is a friend of the family? Great, another year of not buying tickets for me

You hit the nail on the head GO. Another instance where politics is killing the team. The one that clearly needs to go is Schellas and all of his cronies. Unfortunately, the ship may have to sink completely before the owner sees the light. But at this rate, it may not be much longer.

only in america and more specifically do you sign a teen for high 5 figures a year, he lead your reserve league in scoring, and then you refuse to give him major minutes so you can showcase his to boost his value to be sold. Having trouble finding the number so it can't be much. Any idea how much winning the MLS cup is worth? I doubt it is worth as much as a high profile teen player. FCD is becoming the place where soccer comes to die. If you are about 30 and of little regard, get yourself a jersey and finish of your lackluster career with a college coach in mediocrity

GO...explain, please?

If they have a pro contract, how can they play for SMU? Isn't that a violation of NCAA rules?

well to paraphrase the rule as it was changed for soccer. They can be signed to a pro contract but as long as they don't actually collect the salary they keep their amature status. Basically you don't lose it until you actually take the money. It was a push from the soccer side that kids needed to be able to take a shot a pro at a younger age but this allowed them to do it without risking everything. I believe both of those players are inelgible. The keeper may still be elgible and I wouldn't be surprised if kellyn acosta is also still elgible. You will often see the difference where say Luna was close to 6 figures the keeper Sanchez was more like 25k. I could look uo the specific rule but I have been up all night playing Halo 4 and caffiene supplies are running low

Luna made about $85k this year and Leyva around $75k.

go99 wrote:only in america and more specifically do you sign a teen for high 5 figures a year, he lead your reserve league in scoring, and then you refuse to give him major minutes so you can showcase his to boost his value to be sold. Having trouble finding the number so it can't be much. Any idea how much winning the MLS cup is worth? I doubt it is worth as much as a high profile teen player. FCD is becoming the place where soccer comes to die. If you are about 30 and of little regard, get yourself a jersey and finish of your lackluster career with a college coach in mediocrity

You nailed it go.

This will just fuel the fire that parents will keep buying into that "college is the safest and therefore best option"...even for the most gifted of players.

Hopefully more and more American kids will get picked up by Euro and South American clubs....so that they can develop in a better venue.

Of course this is also another reason to despise and otherwise resent MLS.

Oh well....guess it's time to check out lacrosse...

from third degree and pretty much spot on....

M Bryan Leyva Some might say cutting Leyva, the first homegrown player in FCD history is a big deal, especially since he did get a run with the first team earlier in 2012. But taking a closer look, it’s really not. Dallas coach Schellas Hyndman has been saying for years that the young midfielder needed to not only become a better two-way player but that he also had to raise his fitness level. While he has made progression in both areas, three years has been more than enough for him to show he’s ready for regular play with the first team, which is why this decision was made.
F Ruben Luna Everyone remembers the first time we saw Luna playing for the FCD Academy in what seems not that long ago. He was clearly a man among boys in that setting. In reality, that was nearly three years ago. Dallas signed Luna as a homegrown player in July 2010 and while like Leyva, he showed some flashes, more than anything he proved to be another player who could not handle an uptick in competition level. Add in the fact that a recent loan to San Antonio didn’t go very well and it’s not hard to see why this move was made.
If one views these moves strictly from a business standpoint, these decisions make sense. Here are four guys who didn’t play much at all in terms of minutes with the first team in 2012 and who honestly weren’t going to figure into the club’s future. So why keep them on a day longer? No matter the sport, teams that fail to churn the bottom of their roster on a regular basis have players who get too comfortable, which often leads to complacency and in many cases total stagnation. We wish all these guys luck but things just didn’t work out here for any of them and that’s just the way it goes sometimes.
Keep in mind as well, that not picking up an option doens’t mean the player can’t be brought back. MLS teams retain player rights until they are waived, and even after they clear waivers if they haven’t been in the league long enough.

soccerisgood123 wrote:from third degree and pretty much spot on....

M Bryan Leyva Some might say cutting Leyva, the first homegrown player in FCD history is a big deal, especially since he did get a run with the first team earlier in 2012. But taking a closer look, it’s really not. Dallas coach Schellas Hyndman has been saying for years that the young midfielder needed to not only become a better two-way player but that he also had to raise his fitness level. While he has made progression in both areas, three years has been more than enough for him to show he’s ready for regular play with the first team, which is why this decision was made.
F Ruben Luna Everyone remembers the first time we saw Luna playing for the FCD Academy in what seems not that long ago. He was clearly a man among boys in that setting. In reality, that was nearly three years ago. Dallas signed Luna as a homegrown player in July 2010 and while like Leyva, he showed some flashes, more than anything he proved to be another player who could not handle an uptick in competition level. Add in the fact that a recent loan to San Antonio didn’t go very well and it’s not hard to see why this move was made.
If one views these moves strictly from a business standpoint, these decisions make sense. Here are four guys who didn’t play much at all in terms of minutes with the first team in 2012 and who honestly weren’t going to figure into the club’s future. So why keep them on a day longer? No matter the sport, teams that fail to churn the bottom of their roster on a regular basis have players who get too comfortable, which often leads to complacency and in many cases total stagnation. We wish all these guys luck but things just didn’t work out here for any of them and that’s just the way it goes sometimes.
Keep in mind as well, that not picking up an option doens’t mean the player can’t be brought back. MLS teams retain player rights until they are waived, and even after they clear waivers if they haven’t been in the league long enough.

I get your point. However, when you look at MLS as a whole, they seriously need to revamp their way of doing business. I mean, 16 and 17 years...has the level been raised much at all?

They need to scrap about 90% of their DP's. Hell, even totally rethink their DP policy.

And they damn sure need to get serious about youth development.

To be fair, I haven't kept up with these players. But, sometimes players either peak early or just can't raise their standard of play. Or both.

Being great at 17-18 is still a far cry from being a successful pro at say, 24-28.

One thing is certain, if you don't give them that opportunity, it will never happen.

Disconcerting IMHO.

wow so how do they expect them to show if they barely get time do anything? and its not like the FCD pro team is any good? did they make the playoff's? and as far as marketting their top players one thing i saw a few weeks back that made me wonder........David ferreira was at richland apparently to watch his kid play and i watch people just walk by him like he was just another parent i didnt even recognize him until Go99 pointed him out! now isnt he FCD's franchise player? if that would have been Tony Romo,Josh Hamilton,or Dirk Nowitski(sp) people would have mobbed them! so this being pointed out whats wrong with this scene? discuss............

omega striker wrote:wow so how do they expect them to show if they barely get time do anything? and its not like the FCD pro team is any good? did they make the playoff's? and as far as marketting their top players one thing i saw a few weeks back that made me wonder........David ferreira was at richland apparently to watch his kid play and i watch people just walk by him like he was just another parent i didnt even recognize him until Go99 pointed him out! now isnt he FCD's franchise player? if that would have been Tony Romo,Josh Hamilton,or Dirk Nowitski(sp) people would have mobbed them! so this being pointed out whats wrong with this scene? discuss............

What's wrong with the picture is you and Go spending time together. JK.

I will not say that either one of those players will make it as a pro. A lesson to all young players is that being signed to the pro team is just the first step not the destination. I will say that your potential to sell both of those players is way higher than Blas Perez or that joke of a DP they picked up. Both players have absolutely no value

coach Schellas Hyndman sucks!!! He is who has to move on from the team. Oscar Pareja should be the coach, he knows better than anybody the whole youth system in FCD.
The team have many years playing horrible with this coach Schellas.

peregrino wrote:coach Schellas Hyndman sucks!!! He is who has to move on from the team. Oscar Pareja should be the coach, he knows better than anybody the whole youth system in FCD.
The team have many years playing horrible with this coach Schellas.

Agree!

See that stadium over there? Thats the goal we aspire to have you reach.. Such a crock of s* ! Beware DA, PA you can keep drinking the kool-aid or you can just say f-it and have fun. More time to enjoy the other things in life w/ your kids . Schellas will sign and start PELE & Maradona before your kid gets a shot . My kid could pick a better FIFA 13 team than him. Face it the pro team and the youth system are not on the same page, so all of it is just one big F'in circle JERK..

plantit wrote:

peregrino wrote:coach Schellas Hyndman sucks!!! He is who has to move on from the team. Oscar Pareja should be the coach, he knows better than anybody the whole youth system in FCD.
The team have many years playing horrible with this coach Schellas.

Agree!

See that stadium over there? Thats the goal we aspire to have you reach.. Such a crock of s* ! Beware DA, PA you can keep drinking the kool-aid or you can just say f-it and have fun. More time to enjoy the other things in life w/ your kids . Schellas will sign and start PELE & Maradona before your kid gets a shot . My kid could pick a better FIFA 13 team than him. Face it the pro team and the youth system are not on the same page, so all of it is just one big F'in circle JERK..

so i assume other teams will scoop these players up, give them significant playing time and show just how stupid hyndman was right? sorry not going to hold my breath. You got to show you belong in the big leagues and these two didnt. not sure what you want, automatic starts just because you came up through the fc dallas system? No coach could have done well with the rash of injuries fcd had this seasonand Parejas finished below Hyndman and you want him as coach?

I think what gets me thinking is the fact FCD markets the Home Grown product as a big plus to join the youth club. Then quietly dumps one of the first (high profile) big fish they signed. The FCD Youth web page still trumpets Mr. Leyva on the front page. I wonder how the webpage will mention Luna and Leyva.

Let's see how the first team handles the next HG prodigy, Jonathon Top. Will he get real playing time or token minutes?

I still have high hopes FCD is building a solid academy. I'm under no illusion it will be an Ajax or Barcelona level in the short-term.

The HG boys need a lot of competitive time on the field or they will wilt on the vine. Bringing in too many overpaid, underperforming & aging DPs will destroy the HG program.

Isn't it Ajax with their 4 million Euro line-up playing well against the 150 Euro line-up of Man City in the Champions League. Ajax fielded 8 HG players against Man City's mercenaries.

PG-Boy wrote:I think what gets me thinking is the fact FCD markets the Home Grown product as a big plus to join the youth club. Then quietly dumps one of the first (high profile) big fish they signed. The FCD Youth web page still trumpets Mr. Leyva on the front page. I wonder how the webpage will mention Luna and Leyva.

Let's see how the first team handles the next HG prodigy, Jonathon Top. Will he get real playing time or token minutes?

I still have high hopes FCD is building a solid academy. I'm under no illusion it will be an Ajax or Barcelona level in the short-term.

The HG boys need a lot of competitive time on the field or they will wilt on the vine. Bringing in too many overpaid, underperforming & aging DPs will destroy the HG program.

Isn't it Ajax with their 4 million Euro line-up playing well against the 150 Euro line-up of Man City in the Champions League. Ajax fielded 8 HG players against Man City's mercenaries.

Excellent points sir! Man City drew yesterday but it sure as hell wasn't pretty.

I hate to call for mandates, but I think it should be mandatory that MLS teams have to sign and play HG players...How many, I'm not sure. It seems to work in Scotland. You'll often see 17-19 yr olds on the pitch. And they can play! because there was more than a piecemeal investment made in them.

If MLS does it right, they'll make a lot more in transfer fees than the handful of extra tickets they get with DP's.

Laimport wrote:

PG-Boy wrote:I think what gets me thinking is the fact FCD markets the Home Grown product as a big plus to join the youth club. Then quietly dumps one of the first (high profile) big fish they signed. The FCD Youth web page still trumpets Mr. Leyva on the front page. I wonder how the webpage will mention Luna and Leyva.

Let's see how the first team handles the next HG prodigy, Jonathon Top. Will he get real playing time or token minutes?

I still have high hopes FCD is building a solid academy. I'm under no illusion it will be an Ajax or Barcelona level in the short-term.

The HG boys need a lot of competitive time on the field or they will wilt on the vine. Bringing in too many overpaid, underperforming & aging DPs will destroy the HG program.

Isn't it Ajax with their 4 million Euro line-up playing well against the 150 Euro line-up of Man City in the Champions League. Ajax fielded 8 HG players against Man City's mercenaries.

Excellent points sir! Man City drew yesterday but it sure as hell wasn't pretty.

I hate to call for mandates, but I think it should be mandatory that MLS teams have to sign and play HG players...How many, I'm not sure. It seems to work in Scotland. You'll often see 17-19 yr olds on the pitch. And they can play! because there was more than a piecemeal investment made in them.

If MLS does it right, they'll make a lot more in transfer fees than the handful of extra tickets they get with DP's.

They also mandated it in Mexico. It is credited as one of the reasons for the turnaround for the Mexican National team.

soccerisgood123 wrote:

plantit wrote:

peregrino wrote:coach Schellas Hyndman sucks!!! He is who has to move on from the team. Oscar Pareja should be the coach, he knows better than anybody the whole youth system in FCD.
The team have many years playing horrible with this coach Schellas.

Agree!

See that stadium over there? Thats the goal we aspire to have you reach.. Such a crock of s* ! Beware DA, PA you can keep drinking the kool-aid or you can just say f-it and have fun. More time to enjoy the other things in life w/ your kids . Schellas will sign and start PELE & Maradona before your kid gets a shot . My kid could pick a better FIFA 13 team than him. Face it the pro team and the youth system are not on the same page, so all of it is just one big F'in circle JERK..

so i assume other teams will scoop these players up, give them significant playing time and show just how stupid hyndman was right? sorry not going to hold my breath. You got to show you belong in the big leagues and these two didnt. not sure what you want, automatic starts just because you came up through the fc dallas system? No coach could have done well with the rash of injuries fcd had this seasonand Parejas finished below Hyndman and you want him as coach?

You should expect injuries when you field a team of social security recipients. But here's the question. What's a MLS championship worth? Other than the revenue from a few extra games I can't find any value. Players are the value and it's not about those two players. They couldn't even market one of the most high profile young players in the US Brek Shea.

go99 wrote:

soccerisgood123 wrote:

plantit wrote:

peregrino wrote:coach Schellas Hyndman sucks!!! He is who has to move on from the team. Oscar Pareja should be the coach, he knows better than anybody the whole youth system in FCD.
The team have many years playing horrible with this coach Schellas.

Agree!

See that stadium over there? Thats the goal we aspire to have you reach.. Such a crock of s* ! Beware DA, PA you can keep drinking the kool-aid or you can just say f-it and have fun. More time to enjoy the other things in life w/ your kids . Schellas will sign and start PELE & Maradona before your kid gets a shot . My kid could pick a better FIFA 13 team than him. Face it the pro team and the youth system are not on the same page, so all of it is just one big F'in circle JERK..

so i assume other teams will scoop these players up, give them significant playing time and show just how stupid hyndman was right? sorry not going to hold my breath. You got to show you belong in the big leagues and these two didnt. not sure what you want, automatic starts just because you came up through the fc dallas system? No coach could have done well with the rash of injuries fcd had this seasonand Parejas finished below Hyndman and you want him as coach?

You should expect injuries when you field a team of social security recipients. But here's the question. What's a MLS championship worth? Other than the revenue from a few extra games I can't find any value. Players are the value and it's not about those two players. They couldn't even market one of the most high profile young players in the US Brek Shea.

1. Brek Shea was injured.
2. Brek Shea has to try harder on defense.

It seems like every time I watch him play his defense gets worse. He's fantastic on the attack but as soon as the ball gets behind him, he instantly flips the "OFF" switch and starts to walk. I hate that about his game.

go99 wrote:

soccerisgood123 wrote:

plantit wrote:

peregrino wrote:coach Schellas Hyndman sucks!!! He is who has to move on from the team. Oscar Pareja should be the coach, he knows better than anybody the whole youth system in FCD.
The team have many years playing horrible with this coach Schellas.

Agree!

See that stadium over there? Thats the goal we aspire to have you reach.. Such a crock of s* ! Beware DA, PA you can keep drinking the kool-aid or you can just say f-it and have fun. More time to enjoy the other things in life w/ your kids . Schellas will sign and start PELE & Maradona before your kid gets a shot . My kid could pick a better FIFA 13 team than him. Face it the pro team and the youth system are not on the same page, so all of it is just one big F'in circle JERK..

so i assume other teams will scoop these players up, give them significant playing time and show just how stupid hyndman was right? sorry not going to hold my breath. You got to show you belong in the big leagues and these two didnt. not sure what you want, automatic starts just because you came up through the fc dallas system? No coach could have done well with the rash of injuries fcd had this seasonand Parejas finished below Hyndman and you want him as coach?

You should expect injuries when you field a team of social security recipients. But here's the question. What's a MLS championship worth? Other than the revenue from a few extra games I can't find any value. Players are the value and it's not about those two players. They couldn't even market one of the most high profile young players in the US Brek Shea.

So the purpose of the franchise is to sell players to other teams not win championships? That's a pretty ridiculous argument even coming from you.