Do the Jesuits belong in the UIL?

by onetenguy 3/30/2010, 10:45 pm

After all, the Jesuits don't play by the same rules as everyone else - no attendence zones, scholarships for players that can't afford their tuition, etc.

by soccercap 3/30/2010, 11:22 pm

There is no question they do not. It is like a select team playing in a rec league. They can build the team they want, pay for it ( via scholarships) and recruit who they want. That is not fair and they should only play in private school league. Period !

by soccerrus2 3/31/2010, 6:45 am

onetenguy wrote:After all, the Jesuits don't play by the same rules as everyone else - no attendence zones, scholarships for players that can't afford their tuition, etc.

Bitter?

by go99 3/31/2010, 7:04 am

scholorships are the big thing. There's a reason several players stayed with Jesuit instead of FCD juniors. Leaving the highschool team is not really and option when your education is hooked to it.

by onetenguy 3/31/2010, 7:36 am

soccerrus2 wrote:
onetenguy wrote:After all, the Jesuits don't play by the same rules as everyone else - no attendence zones, scholarships for players that can't afford their tuition, etc.
Bitter?

You bet. But really, what has Jesuit ever won? SL Carroll will take care of them on Saturday. Perhaps the El Paso team which has some real soccer skills instead of just being big, physical players will take them out on Friday.

by cornerkick96 3/31/2010, 7:47 am

onetenguy wrote:After all, the Jesuits don't play by the same rules as everyone else - no attendence zones, scholarships for players that can't afford their tuition, etc.

Do the Jesuits belong in the UIL? Grapes11

by irish86 3/31/2010, 8:32 am

Blah, blah, blah. More than half of the Jesuit students receive some form of financial aid, and it's not tied to sports. Alumni giving makes it possible for many kids to attend that could not otherwise afford it. Go Rangers! Do the Jesuits belong in the UIL? Icon_cheers

by go99 3/31/2010, 8:44 am

I wonder if one of the star soccer players decided he was no longer going to play for the team would there be an understood, implied, or real effect on his scholorship?

by irish86 3/31/2010, 8:54 am

A decision not to play sports would have no impact on financial aid whatsoever. Same goes for a student that doesn't want to play in the band, be part of the Latin club, debate team, etc. The financial aid calculus is based on financial need, and in exchange for a tuition break most of the recipients are required to perform service to the school, such as working in the office/cafeteria etc. So it's not a true freebie.

by soccerrus2 3/31/2010, 9:00 am

onetenguy wrote:
soccerrus2 wrote:
onetenguy wrote:After all, the Jesuits don't play by the same rules as everyone else - no attendence zones, scholarships for players that can't afford their tuition, etc.
Bitter?
You bet. But really, what has Jesuit ever won? SL Carroll will take care of them on Saturday. Perhaps the El Paso team which has some real soccer skills instead of just being big, physical players will take them out on Friday.

You are really bitter...doesn't say much for Marcus if they only had more physical players they would have won...come on! Marcus is a good team and you have fought with Jesuit multiple times over the last few years. The boys represented their school well.
I have argued over the advantages of Jesuit (TM and the DMN forums). The UIL have a similar agreement with Jesuit of Houston (Both teams still in it). Years ago a powerful Dallas attorney sued the UIL to allow Jesuit in because he had a son at the school and wanted him to play against the public schools. They have to document every student that comes in after the 8th grade in order to play athletics. Too much oppurtunity for violations. Personal belief is Jesuit does have an unfair advantage with a potential recruiting tool, but so does Carroll. How does a 25K population city with the highest per capita income produce so many State competitive teams? Hmmm..compare it to Flower Mound at almost 70K, Plano 220K, Arlington 370K??

by go99 3/31/2010, 9:47 am

irish86 wrote:A decision not to play sports would have no impact on financial aid whatsoever. Same goes for a student that doesn't want to play in the band, be part of the Latin club, debate team, etc. The financial aid calculus is based on financial need, and in exchange for a tuition break most of the recipients are required to perform service to the school, such as working in the office/cafeteria etc. So it's not a true freebie.

Can't speak for jesuit and I am sure it was a happy coincidence to have scholorshiped students turn out to be soccer stars. I do know of a girls private school who suggested that the parents bring their daughter to their school and that they would be able to give her a scholorship. I am sure Jesuit is all above board and hopefully some untalented kids also get the financial need scholorships. The fact still reamains that it is an advantadge over public schools. Maybe if southlake or some other district could go to S Dallas and offer a kid free rides to and from school, etc. But as it stands they are stuck with whatever lives in the district.

by Ibystander 3/31/2010, 10:01 am

cornerkick96 wrote:
onetenguy wrote:After all, the Jesuits don't play by the same rules as everyone else - no attendence zones, scholarships for players that can't afford their tuition, etc.

by happyfeet 3/31/2010, 10:03 am

irish86 wrote:A decision not to play sports would have no impact on financial aid whatsoever. Same goes for a student that doesn't want to play in the band, be part of the Latin club, debate team, etc. The financial aid calculus is based on financial need, and in exchange for a tuition break most of the recipients are required to perform service to the school, such as working in the office/cafeteria etc. So it's not a true freebie.

With a name like "irish86" it's easy to see why you are a Jesuit defender! Do the Jesuits belong in the UIL? Icon_wink

by finish1 3/31/2010, 10:19 am

happyfeet wrote:
irish86 wrote:A decision not to play sports would have no impact on financial aid whatsoever. Same goes for a student that doesn't want to play in the band, be part of the Latin club, debate team, etc. The financial aid calculus is based on financial need, and in exchange for a tuition break most of the recipients are required to perform service to the school, such as working in the office/cafeteria etc. So it's not a true freebie.
With a name like "irish86" it's easy to see why you are a Jesuit defender!

If you are Anglo and have been living in this country for more than a few generations, you're Irish somewhere, if you're lucky!

by coachdom 3/31/2010, 10:22 am

Jesuit also gives scholarships to students who play football, basketball, and baseball. If you think they are dominating in those sports, you are crazy.

by THE NEEDLE 3/31/2010, 10:37 am

go99 wrote:
irish86 wrote:A decision not to play sports would have no impact on financial aid whatsoever. Same goes for a student that doesn't want to play in the band, be part of the Latin club, debate team, etc. The financial aid calculus is based on financial need, and in exchange for a tuition break most of the recipients are required to perform service to the school, such as working in the office/cafeteria etc. So it's not a true freebie.
Can't speak for jesuit and I am sure it was a happy coincidence to have scholorshiped students turn out to be soccer stars. I do know of a girls private school who suggested that the parents bring their daughter to their school and that they would be able to give her a scholorship. I am sure Jesuit is all above board and hopefully some untalented kids also get the financial need scholorships. The fact still reamains that it is an advantadge over public schools. Maybe if southlake or some other district could go to S Dallas and offer a kid free rides to and from school, etc. But as it stands they are stuck with whatever lives in the district.

Southlake is not a good example for making your case.

by Ibystander 3/31/2010, 10:38 am

coachdom wrote:Jesuit also gives scholarships to students who play football, basketball, and baseball. If you think they are dominating in those sports, you are crazy.

I thought they didn't offer athletics, nor academic scholarships? On their web site, it says only financial need scholarships.

by go99 3/31/2010, 10:42 am

So they are giving scholorships to athletes? Southlake is a good school district that's all. Could be used as a draw to lure kids. Okay let's say an RISD school offers to allow kids to leave DISD and provide their transportation to and from school. As a parent from a bad district it would make sense to take the offer.

by coachdom 3/31/2010, 10:47 am

go99 wrote:So they are giving scholorships to athletes? Southlake is a good school district that's all. Could be used as a draw to lure kids. Okay let's say an RISD school offers to allow kids to leave DISD and provide their transportation to and from school. As a parent from a bad district it would make sense to take the offer.

There are 11 sports at Jesuit. Many of the students, financial aid or not, play one sport or another. Here is the list of official sports. They also have a hockey team, which is not a UIL recognized sport.

Baseball
Basketball
Cheerleading
Crew
Cross Country
Football
Lacrosse
Power Lifting
Rugby
Soccer
Swimming/Diving

by go99 3/31/2010, 10:50 am

Ibystander wrote:
coachdom wrote:Jesuit also gives scholarships to students who play football, basketball, and baseball. If you think they are dominating in those sports, you are crazy.
I thought they didn't offer athletics, nor academic scholarships? On their web site, it says only financial need scholarships.

I would guess that if you are an athlete with a financial need you can get one of thoses needs scholorships. If you are poor with a great personality and wonderful smile, probably less so.

by cornerkick96 3/31/2010, 10:53 am

coachdom wrote:Jesuit also gives scholarships to students who play football, basketball, and baseball. If you think they are dominating in those sports, you are crazy.

This is a good point - if Jesuit was all about dominating athletics why would they pick arguably the 4th most popular sport (or maybe 5th if you count track & field). I think the reason soccer might benefit so much is that the academic nature of the school fits well with the academic nature of the sport. It seems in many cases that student-athletes who are playing soccer seem to be at the higher end of the academic success ladder compared with those in other sports (don't have stats to back it up, just seems that way to me). A school like Jesuit I'm sure has strict academic standards required for admission so they probably naturally have a larger pool of soccer athletes to pick from.

If Coppell, Marcus, and other schools want revenge for soccer it is easy - just schedule Jesuit in football.

by coachdom 3/31/2010, 10:59 am

go99 wrote:
Ibystander wrote:
coachdom wrote:Jesuit also gives scholarships to students who play football, basketball, and baseball. If you think they are dominating in those sports, you are crazy.
I thought they didn't offer athletics, nor academic scholarships? On their web site, it says only financial need scholarships.
I would guess that if you are an athlete with a financial need you can get one of thoses needs scholorships. If you are poor with a great personality and wonderful smile, probably less so.

I can't believe this is a serious discussion. You don't hear this much complaining about student scholArships in the other sports. Besides, this is high school soccer. Club soccer gets you into college, not high school.

by finish1 3/31/2010, 11:04 am

cornerkick96 wrote:
coachdom wrote:Jesuit also gives scholarships to students who play football, basketball, and baseball. If you think they are dominating in those sports, you are crazy.

This is a good point - if Jesuit was all about dominating athletics why would they pick arguably the 4th most popular sport (or maybe 5th if you count track & field). I think the reason soccer might benefit so much is that the academic nature of the school fits well with the academic nature of the sport. It seems in many cases that student-athletes who are playing soccer seem to be at the higher end of the academic success ladder compared with those in other sports (don't have stats to back it up, just seems that way to me). A school like Jesuit I'm sure has strict academic standards required for admission so they probably naturally have a larger pool of soccer athletes to pick from.

If Coppell, Marcus, and other schools want revenge for soccer it is easy - just schedule Jesuit in football.

Cornerkicker aren't you the troublemaker! Trying to draw a line between mental aptitude and sports choices. Them thars fightin words round these here parts! Them BFS boys er gonna git ya!!! Just a point to clarify, soccer is the #1 participation sport in America by volume in youth sports. That #4, #5 point is fading quickly and the neighsayers are grasping the ledge by their fingertips. It's ok, I'm there to catch their fall with a den of alligators!