Select fees

Anyone know the difference between clubs select fees?
How much $$ difference is there from one club to another?
Are all club uniforms prices about the same?

Any info is appreciated!

Most club fees run between $2000-$2500 a year not including uniforms. Uniforms usally run around $250-300 depending on the club. Travel not included.

This was the cost for the 00's last year around June-July. Some of the teams included certain about of tournaments to their feeds others did not.

D1
DT Gall/Connell/Leite/Craft: $2800 - $3200
TFC Wells: $2200 - $2700
FCD Pino/Spencer: $2500 - $2800
Solar Smith: $2800 - $3100
Wizards Burciaga: $1500
Tigres Ortiz: $1100

D2
Texas Toros ?: ??
Andro Gold (ASG) Ekeme: $2600
Andro Uremovich: ??
Solar Red Adame: $2800 - $3100
Liverpool Ravestijn: ??
Odyssey Gallagher: $2100
NTX Strikers Lopez: ??
DFW Tejanos Parrish: ??
FCD Suarez: $2500 - $2800
Deportivo Chivas Zavala: ??

D3
FWFC New Coach: $1950 - $2450
TFC Schell/Garrett: $2200 - $2700
Hurst United Dane: $1875
AC Longview Yoder:??
DT ?: $2800 - $3200
Comets Badii: ??
Kernow Storm Penna: ??
Liverpool Marshall: ??
Aztecas Zaldana: ??

mavericks67 wrote:This was the cost for the 00's last year around June-July. Some of the teams included certain about of tournaments to their feeds others did not.

D1
DT Gall/Connell/Leite/Craft: $2800 - $3200
TFC Wells: $2200 - $2700
FCD Pino/Spencer: $2500 - $2800
Solar Smith: $2800 - $3100
Wizards Burciaga: $1500
Tigres Ortiz: $1100

D2
Texas Toros ?: ??
Andro Gold (ASG) Ekeme: $2600
Andro Uremovich: ??
Solar Red Adame: $2800 - $3100
Liverpool Ravestijn: ??
Odyssey Gallagher: $2100
NTX Strikers Lopez: ??
DFW Tejanos Parrish: ??
FCD Suarez: $2500 - $2800
Deportivo Chivas Zavala: ??

D3
FWFC New Coach: $1950 - $2450
TFC Schell/Garrett: $2200 - $2700
Hurst United Dane: $1875
AC Longview Yoder:??
DT ?: $2800 - $3200
Comets Badii: ??
Kernow Storm Penna: ??
Liverpool Marshall: ??
Aztecas Zaldana: ??

So really the parents are playing the higher fees for the team name?
I don't have a child in Select yet, but Solar, TFC, Texans, and FC Dallas cost almost twice as much as the Tigres and Wizards in D1.
Is this field rentals or locations that make it so expensive?
Or is this a way to keep out the lower income players?
I'm just curious on why the fees are so different.

I wonder if there will ever be select fee regulation....

A friend of mine bb played arlington league a couple years back for Tx Lightning, fees were $2500! They were in like 5th place!

I think if your bb is playing in arlington or plano competitive then the fees should be from 600-1000. If your team is in D1 classic league then maybe the 1500-2500 range, D2 1000-1500, D3 600-1000 since they are basically the same as arlington or plano.

I dont see why fees have to be so expensive at all age groups.

t5house wrote:I wonder if there will ever be select fee regulation....

A friend of mine bb played arlington league a couple years back for Tx Lightning, fees were $2500! They were in like 5th place!

I think if your bb is playing in arlington or plano competitive then the fees should be from 600-1000. If your team is in D1 classic league then maybe the 1500-2500 range, D2 1000-1500, D3 600-1000 since they are basically the same as arlington or plano.

I dont see why fees have to be so expensive at all age groups.

Club soccer fees are like anything else in our society - rates are set by what the market will bear. If all of the Texans families decided they weren't going to pay $3000 or whatever then the Texans would have to lower their fees. Same for FC Dallas or any small club even. The clubs are charging this much because you will pay it. If you don't like the fees the big clubs are charging then find an Independent team.

Your point about fees being based on which league / division makes zero sense. The expenses are basically the same whether you are in Classic D1 or Plano Premier. Coaches pay makes up about half, and the other half is to cover league fees, field maintenance, referee pay, practice fields, and other expenses. All of these costs are there no matter what league you are in. Indy teams are cheaper because the coaches in general make less (some make nothing) and also they don't have the club overhead to pay.

zero sense? Whats the market for getting your child in arlington or plano? For Classic D1? I'm just saying you should pay for what you get. If your team is not good enough for D1,2 or 3 then why pay the high fees. You pay for quality. Not all 42inch tv's are the same price, not all shoes are the same price. You pay for the quality of the product. The higher the level of play/coaching should charge more. So you think classic D1 $3000 is as equal to arlington/plano league?

I'm just saying that I wonder if our society will ever get to the point in soccer where.......you get what you pay for. You buy a cheap tv or pair of shoes.......poor quality, poor performance.

You pay 3k for soccer you expect great quality, not arlingon/plano. Thats all I'm saying.

We talk on these forums about how overseas the children play for free and how nice that would be here. Here in the USA we will never get to that point due to egos.

Only 10% go to league fees, maintenance and ref fees.

Why shouldn't there be a pay difference between leagues? If you are a better coach you should coach better teams and make more money. IMHO.

t5house wrote:We talk on these forums about how overseas the children play for free and how nice that would be here. Here in the USA we will never get to that point due to egos.

And set up.

It is what it is, and will continue to be that way as long as people are willing to pay the fee.

I will note that there is often a large variance in team fees within the same club. It's not always as simple as "Texans = $x,xxx.xx" and "Solar = $y,yyy.yy". One more reason why one must do their due diligence when exploring options for their son or daughter.

Cheers

This whole argument is the driving force behind the win, win ,win attitude in select. The fees you are willing to pay should be according to the quality of the coaching. What league or division the team is in is not the sole , or even best determining factor of that. At younger ages some teams win as they are allstar teams drawn to the big name club. They could win with Bozo the Clown coaching. Other teams may not have the most gifted players yet overachieve becuse of good coaching. If the team is improving and individuals are improving then that is good coaching. You guys are going to be paying mostly for good recruiting alot of times.

The German wrote:Only 10% go to league fees, maintenance and ref fees.

Why shouldn't there be a pay difference between leagues? If you are a better coach you should coach better teams and make more money. IMHO.

This idea is based on the fallacy is that the team standing is proportional to the competency of the coach. The truth is that success in youth soccer is 80% about getting the best athletes on your team (especially at the younger ages U14 and below). Take the Texans for instance. Is Craft a better coach than Connell? Nyet.

The German wrote:If you are a better coach...

That is a very black-and-white statement made in an environment painted only in gray. Who would decide who the better coach is? The coaches themselves or the heads of the clubs? That's how it is now and it's all political. The parents? We (and the parents before us) are the ones that have enabled this system to exist. Or should they be judged by the performance of their teams? Well then you're paying for the best recruiter, not the best coach.

The parents of North Texas enabled this system. For all the complaining and objecting that we hear about here... if somebody walks away there are 2 other families that willingly move into the space that was just created. One-offs won't fix this system. If we don't like this system, we need to get organized as customers and find a real solution together.

off_the_woodwork wrote:

The German wrote:Only 10% go to league fees, maintenance and ref fees.

Why shouldn't there be a pay difference between leagues? If you are a better coach you should coach better teams and make more money. IMHO.

This idea is based on the fallacy is that the team standing is proportional to the competency of the coach. The truth is that success in youth soccer is 80% about getting the best athletes on your team (especially at the younger ages U14 and below). Take the Texans for instance. Is Craft a better coach than Connell? Nyet.

I agree, so ridiculous to hear parents say if we had that coach we would be in d1! Of course forgetting the skill level of their d3 ppl etc kids...