Classic D3 Play in tournament

by frequent flyer 3/13/2014, 11:14 am

Quick question
How will they do D3 Classic for U12? The new classic rules state that it will be open for 8 spots to be given out based on the Ken Smith Tournament and D2 bottom two will drop down to D3 for the remaining two spots. However, I think classic D1 has 10 teams dropping to D2 and the current D2 is going to be D3. I am confused by this. scratch

by odie1993 3/13/2014, 11:19 am

1-10 in D1 stay D1

11-18 in D1 goes D2

1 & 2 in D2 goes D2

19 & 20 in D1 goes D3

other 8 spots in D3 requalify

by frequent flyer 3/13/2014, 11:22 am

odie1993 wrote:1-10 in D1 stay D1

11-18 in D1 goes D2

1 & 2 in D2 goes D2

19 & 20 in D1 goes D3

other 8 spots in D3 requalify

Thanks Odie

by soccerdad9903 3/20/2014, 5:49 pm

I'm sure this has been discussed in another thread, but I can't find it...

The new qualifying tournament for d3 classic has taken things a bit far. In the past, only 2 spots were open in d3, and now 8 spots are open. Two spots seems like too few, but eight spots seems like too many. A d3 team plays an 18 game schedule, and if the team isn't in the top two, then that team's fate is determined in a weekend-long qualifying tournament. What is the point of the whole preceding qualifying process (which everyone loves so much) and classic season? I'm all for opening up the league to competition, but you also need to reward teams for their season-long effort. It's as if the bottom ten spots in the premier league were determined by the fa cup results.

This is just going to increase the player-shuffling at "tryouts". Qualifying with one roster then playing the subsequent season with a different roster makes no sense whatsoever. This adds more uncertainty and stress to the kids and parents.

by soccerdadrandy 3/20/2014, 7:01 pm

soccerdad9903 wrote:I'm sure this has been discussed in another thread, but I can't find it...

The new qualifying tournament for d3 classic has taken things a bit far. In the past, only 2 spots were open in d3, and now 8 spots are open. Two spots seems like too few, but eight spots seems like too many. A d3 team plays an 18 game schedule, and if the team isn't in the top two, then that team's fate is determined in a weekend-long qualifying tournament. What is the point of the whole preceding qualifying process (which everyone loves so much) and classic season? I'm all for opening up the league to competition, but you also need to reward teams for their season-long effort. It's as if the bottom ten spots in the premier league were determined by the fa cup results.

This is just going to increase the player-shuffling at "tryouts". Qualifying with one roster then playing the subsequent season with a different roster makes no sense whatsoever. This adds more uncertainty and stress to the kids and parents.

if you are not good enough to get 1st or 2nd in d3 then you should have to hold off challenges from teams wanting the same chance you just failed at

by KarateChop 3/20/2014, 7:22 pm

[quote="soccerdadrandy"][quote="soccerdad9903"]I'm sure this has been discussed in another thread, but I can't find it...

The new qualifying tournament for d3 classic has taken things a bit far. In the past, only 2 spots were open in d3, and now 8 spots are open. Two spots seems like too few, but eight spots seems like too many. A d3 team plays an 18 game schedule, and if the team isn't in the top two, then that team's fate is determined in a weekend-long qualifying tournament. What is the point of the whole preceding qualifying process (which everyone loves so much) and classic season? I'm all for opening up the league to competition, but you also need to reward teams for their season-long effort. It's as if the bottom ten spots in the premier league were determined by the fa cup results.

This is just going to increase the player-shuffling at "tryouts". Qualifying with one roster then playing the subsequent season with a different roster makes no sense whatsoever. This adds more uncertainty and stress to the kids and parents.

if you are not good enough to get 1st or 2nd in d3 then you should have to hold off challenges from teams wanting the same chance you just failed at bounce

Not entirely fair there. Looking at the standings after seeing the "failed" comment they show a pretty good overall season for most teams. There wasn't that much of a gap from the top down to 6 or 7. Looking at some of the score sheets there was a good share of close games as well. It doesn't effect my children either way, but the difference for the lower division was much slimmer than that of the 1st.

by soccerdadrandy 3/20/2014, 7:35 pm

KarateChop wrote:
soccerdadrandy wrote:
soccerdad9903 wrote:I'm sure this has been discussed in another thread, but I can't find it...

The new qualifying tournament for d3 classic has taken things a bit far. In the past, only 2 spots were open in d3, and now 8 spots are open. Two spots seems like too few, but eight spots seems like too many. A d3 team plays an 18 game schedule, and if the team isn't in the top two, then that team's fate is determined in a weekend-long qualifying tournament. What is the point of the whole preceding qualifying process (which everyone loves so much) and classic season? I'm all for opening up the league to competition, but you also need to reward teams for their season-long effort. It's as if the bottom ten spots in the premier league were determined by the fa cup results.

This is just going to increase the player-shuffling at "tryouts". Qualifying with one roster then playing the subsequent season with a different roster makes no sense whatsoever. This adds more uncertainty and stress to the kids and parents.

if you are not good enough to get 1st or 2nd in d3 then you should have to hold off challenges from teams wanting the same chance you just failed at

Not entirely fair there. Looking at the standings after seeing the "failed" comment they show a pretty good overall season for most teams. There wasn't that much of a gap from the top down to 6 or 7. Looking at some of the score sheets there was a good share of close games as well. It doesn't effect my children either way, but the difference for the lower division was much slimmer than that of the 1st.

if they good enough to remain in d3 they will defeat all challenges lol bounce

by PremierLeagueFan 3/21/2014, 9:35 am

Promote the top 2 keep the 3rd, 4th,, and 5th teams and requalify 6-10 teams. That will keep the developing teams intact and create opportunity for other leagues to challenge for Classic.

by Seinfeld4 3/21/2014, 10:39 am

PremierLeagueFan wrote:Promote the top 2 keep the 3rd, 4th,, and 5th teams and requalify 6-10 teams. That will keep the developing teams intact and create opportunity for other leagues to challenge for Classic.

That plan makes sense.

The reason it will not change is purely financial. The more spots available the more people that will enter the tournament. The more people that enter the more money the league makes.

In 2013: across 7 age groups 155 teams entered the challenge tournament. 155 x $ 650.00 (guessing the cost)= $ 100,750.00

by Number13 3/21/2014, 10:48 am

You are always going to be making a cut that may not appear to be fair.

The current U11 D2 deal is very Glengarry Glenross. First place cadillac, 2nd place steak knives, 3rd place you are effing fired. Big difference between getting a spot in U12 D2 and having to try to requalify for U12 D3.

At least this year, as opposed to last year, you will be signing a contract AFTER you know what league that team will be playing in. So no super duper unpleasant surprises (hey there DTS Red).

by debit 3/21/2014, 11:26 am

Some perspective from the 02's.

In U11, the D2 teams and their U12 fate:

1. Mexico FC (promoted to U12 D2)
2. FW Strikers (promoted to U12 D2)
3. FC Cyclones (Classic D3 -- playing as Liverpool Barnes)
4. Solar Blue (Classic D3)
5. Chivas USA (API D1 -- playing as Texas Toros)
6. Superior Aztecas (API D1)
7. Manchester Red Devils (Classic D3)
8. GSSC Thunder Blue (no idea where this team is)
9. Wizards (API D1)
10. FC Dallas Black (PPL D1)

So that's 3 teams out of 8 that re-qualified. All 3 will need to re-qualify again this year.

by Soccer27 3/21/2014, 2:00 pm

Which teams have a good chance in taking a spot in D3 classic???

It appears it will be DT-Faber and FCD-Pritchett will be 1st/2nd.

by PremierLeagueFan 3/21/2014, 2:09 pm

Faber yes, but Pritchett, Kunitz, and Guerra are still in the mix for 2nd which makes for good action in the last few games of the season.

by Soccer27 3/21/2014, 2:13 pm

DT Faber and FCD Pritchett each have their last game this week if both win should finalize the top 2.
Will the bottom 8 remain or are there teams out there from Arlington D1 or Plano D1 able to step in there.

by Number13 3/21/2014, 2:15 pm

Some teams have 2 games left. But yeah, if Pritchett wins they should be good to go. But if they lose, they scoop.

NSFW NWA Juventus Juventus Espino has a shot as well as they can get to 33 points. I hope all the parents of these teams are at home going over the possible scenarios with each kid to insure the proper level of fear, tension, and madness.

I have never looked at the APL or PPL teams or results but I'm sure there are teams there that will make D3. 12th seeds beat 5th seeds all the time.

by KarateChop 3/21/2014, 2:36 pm

Number13 wrote:Some teams have 2 games left. But yeah, if Pritchett wins they should be good to go. But if they lose, they scoop.

NSFW NWA Juventus Juventus Espino has a shot as well as they can get to 33 points. I hope all the parents of these teams are at home going over the possible scenarios with each kid to insure the proper level of fear, tension, and madness.

I have never looked at the APL or PPL teams or results but I'm sure there are teams there that will make D3. 12th seeds beat 5th seeds all the time.

Fear, tension, and madness! So true. Fingernails getting bitten til bleeding for a bunch of folks tonight. Keep your boys safe from this!

by muc03b 3/21/2014, 5:06 pm

Number13 wrote:Some teams have 2 games left. But yeah, if Pritchett wins they should be good to go. But if they lose, they scoop.

NSFW NWA Juventus Juventus Espino has a shot as well as they can get to 33 points. I hope all the parents of these teams are at home going over the possible scenarios with each kid to insure the proper level of fear, tension, and madness.

I have never looked at the APL or PPL teams or results but I'm sure there are teams there that will make D3. 12th seeds beat 5th seeds all the time.

Sometimes the 12th seed gets overlooked because they are in a mid-major conference and can be truly legit. I think the top half of API is stronger than the top half of PPL in my opinion and by experiences this soccer year...but you never know what'll happen come tourney time..

by Soccer27 3/21/2014, 5:16 pm

A bit of stretch on that one. It appears to be more competitive team in PPL team than APL.

by soccerdadrandy 3/21/2014, 5:22 pm

Soccer27 wrote:A bit of stretch on that one. It appears to be more competitive team in PPL team than APL.

which ppl teams are strong? stronger than the apl midland united chivas that have beaten several classic d1 teams this year?

by Soccer27 3/21/2014, 5:34 pm

They have ? Congrats if they have! Pretty good for a team in 9th place in APL. I'm sure any of the top 6 can compete with the top in APL. But again this is a marathon not a sprint. It's only the first year of select. Good luck in all upcoming tournaments

by muc03b 3/21/2014, 6:59 pm

Thanks soccerdadrandy...we've come close but no cigar...we only beat 5 top PPL teams in February at league challenge cup with 12 players..but when you are 2-3 games behind schedule, standings can be skewed.. We can let this weekend shake out then we can judge...Faber struggled vs real gp (API) and a put together San Antonio team (that according to the parents at the hotel that morning were excited to see how the boys will play 11v11 for the first time). We had Figos old team by the neck last weekend and they woke up (classic d1 team down 2-0 at half to little 'Ol midland). Should be fun next few months!!

by fandefutbol 3/21/2014, 7:20 pm

soccerdadrandy wrote:
Soccer27 wrote:A bit of stretch on that one. It appears to be more competitive team in PPL team than APL.

which ppl teams are strong? stronger than the apl midland united chivas that have beaten several classic d1 teams this year?

Which Classic D1 teams has APL Midland United Chivas beaten?

by Marvelousmar 3/21/2014, 7:26 pm

debit wrote:Some perspective from the 02's.

In U11, the D2 teams and their U12 fate:

1. Mexico FC (promoted to U12 D2)
2. FW Strikers (promoted to U12 D2)
3. FC Cyclones (Classic D3 -- playing as Liverpool Barnes)
4. Solar Blue (Classic D3)
5. Chivas USA (API D1 -- playing as Texas Toros)
6. Superior Aztecas (API D1)
7. Manchester Red Devils (Classic D3)
8. GSSC Thunder Blue (no idea where this team is)Andro West mostly PPL 1
9. Wizards (API D1)
10. FC Dallas Black (PPL D1)

So that's 3 teams out of 8 that re-qualified. All 3 will need to re-qualify again this year.

by frequent flyer 3/21/2014, 10:02 pm

PremierLeagueFan wrote:Promote the top 2 keep the 3rd, 4th,, and 5th teams and requalify 6-10 teams. That will keep the developing teams intact and create opportunity for other leagues to challenge for Classic.

I agree. I do know that there is not much difference in play from D3 6 through 10 than the PPL 1 through 9. Our boys play in the PPL D1 and when we play the D3 classic teams in tournament play we stack up well against them. Looking at the top PPL teams, NTX Strikers and and Aces are just as good or better than the 2 through 10 D3 Classic teams. Not much difference in quality. Plus, they are only 11 yrs old so really any team can be beat on any given Saturday within PPL D1 and Classic D3.
I think it will be interesting to watch and see what happens. I do think their will be a lot of shifting of players after the tournament so the teams that make it will have better recruiting than the teams that drop down to PPL.

by frequent flyer 3/21/2014, 10:15 pm

soccerdadrandy wrote:
Soccer27 wrote:A bit of stretch on that one. It appears to be more competitive team in PPL team than APL.

which ppl teams are strong? stronger than the apl midland united chivas that have beaten several classic d1 teams this year?

I would say NTX Strikers and AFC Black can hang with FCD Pritchett and Andromeda Kuntz.
The 3 through 13 teams its really a draw. Everyone is pretty equal. Our boys have beaten Mustangs and Tigres then end up losing against Titans and FC Dallas Silver. Very inconsistent play after the top two teams in PPL. I looked at APL and we only have played one team in that league so hard to say.