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FC Fire 03/04 Boys
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FCD-ETX United 04'




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Dallas Roma FC 04B
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FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B
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Dallas Roma FC 04B
FC Fire 03/04 Boys (El Paso)
FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B (San Antonio)
​Liverpool 04B Fowler




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Dallas Roma FC 04B
FC Fire 03/04 Boys
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FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B
(San Antonio)
​Liverpool 04B Fowler
​McKinney Blackhawks 04B
​FC Dallas 04B Red




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Dallas Roma FC 04B
FC Fire 03/04 Boys (El Paso)
FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B
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​Liverpool 04B Fowler
​McKinney Blackhawks 04B
​FC Dallas 04B Red
​Texas Thunder 04B




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Dallas Roma FC 04B
FC Fire 03/04 Boys (El Paso)
FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B (San Antonio)
​Liverpool 04B Fowler
​McKinney Blackhawks 04B
​FC Dallas 04B Red
​Texas Thunder 04B
Blackhawks FC 04B




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Dallas Roma FC 04B
FC Fire 03/04 Boys (El Paso)
FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B (San Antonio)
​Liverpool 04B Fowler
​McKinney Blackhawks 04B
​FC Dallas 04B Red
​Texas Thunder 04B
Blackhawks FC 04B
Sporting United 04 Boys
FCD 04B North Black
Andromeda FC 04B White




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Dallas Roma FC 04B
FC Fire 03/04 Boys (El Paso)
FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B (San Antonio)
​Liverpool 04B Fowler
​McKinney Blackhawks 04B
​FC Dallas 04B Red
​Texas Thunder 04B
Blackhawks FC 04B
Sporting United 04 Boys
FCD 04B North Black
Andromeda FC 04B White
FC Dallas 04B Premier Gomez
FC Frisco Xtreme 04B




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Dallas Roma FC 04B
FC Fire 03/04 Boys (El Paso)
FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B (San Antonio)
​Liverpool 04B Fowler
​McKinney Blackhawks 04B
​FC Dallas 04B Red
​Texas Thunder 04B
Blackhawks FC 04B
Sporting United 04 Boys
FCD 04B North Black
Andromeda FC 04B White
FC Dallas 04B Premier Gomez
FC Frisco Xtreme 04B
FC Dallas 04B North Red




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FC Fire 03/04 Boys (El Paso)
FCD-ETX United 04'
FC Thunder 04B (San Antonio)
​Liverpool 04B Fowler
​McKinney Blackhawks 04B
​FC Dallas 04B Red
​Texas Thunder 04B
Blackhawks FC 04B
Sporting United 04 Boys
FCD 04B North Black
Andromeda FC 04B White
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Terrible scoring system applied. How can you award 6 points to each team for a tie? That's almost as good as a team that wins 2-1. Ridiculous.

It looks as though the 10-point scoring system was being applied, but well more than 10 points were being awarded in many games.
Saw where a team that lost got 3 points. Unbelievable!

Everything looks correct in the 04 brackets. Teams would receive 6 points for a 3-3 draw, but I didn't see a 3-3 draw in 04.  2-1 win equals 8 points so don't see the problem there. A losing team that scores 3 goals, receives 3 points. Why would you think they shouldn't get 3 points when 10 is the max? The only close bracket for the 2 seed was in Silver between Liverpool and FCD. The scoring was correct unless you are referring to a different age group. I'm in no way associated with the tournament. I just like to see how the teams are doing in each tournament.

Not all 04 teams played in the 04 groups. Some played into the 03's, but that isn't the point.

10 points is the max points awarded, but in some instances, they are awarding more than 10 points. For example, a 3-3 tie should be awarded 3 and 3. They award 6 and 6, which is 12 points. That is more than should be awarded. It is a 10 point system. That is 10 points total that should be awarded for a game.

One game shouldn't be valued at 12 points awarded when some games you can only earn 10. a 6-0 win would only net a winning team 10 points. So how is it that a tie can award 12 points total?

In each game, 10 points are up for grabs. Those 10 points are awarded or not awarded based on the results. The points awarded should not ever total more than 10 (based on the very common 10 point system).

moveyourfeet wrote:Not all 04 teams played in the 04 groups. Some played into the 03's, but that isn't the point.

10 points is the max points awarded, but in some instances, they are awarding more than 10 points. For example, a 3-3 tie should be awarded 3 and 3. They award 6 and 6, which is 12 points. That is more than should be awarded. It is a 10 point system. That is 10 points total that should be awarded for a game.

One game shouldn't be valued at 12 points awarded when some games you can only earn 10. a 6-0 win would only net a winning team 10 points. So how is it that a tie can award 12 points total?

In each game, 10 points are up for grabs. Those 10 points are awarded or not awarded based on the results. The points awarded should not ever total more than 10 (based on the very common 10 point system).

Is this your first tournament in North Texas?

A win is worth 6 points, so a tie is worth 3 points. The additional points for goals and shutouts in a game are bonus to help determine who is better when teams finish with the same record. Otherwise, 2-1 would be the same as 3-0.

I've been around for many, many years.

A 2-1 win is 8 points for the winning team and 1 point for the losing team (6 points for win, 2 points for your 2 goals for winning team. Losing team gets 1 point for avoiding shutout)

A 3-0 win is 10 points for winning team and 0 for losing team (6 points for win, 3 points for each goal, 1 point for shutout).

How is that the same point value?

More than 10 points can be awarded if you are counting 2 teams totals. 3-3 draw is 6 points for each team. 3 for the tie. 3 for goals scored. Nobody every said 10 total points is all that is allowed for both teams. 10 is the max for the winning team if they score 3 and shut out the opponent.

Why would one game be valued at 12 points when another game is only valued at 10 points?
You are saying that this game is worth more than that game.

I think I see what you mean now. The difference is the team in the 3-3 game has accomplished to score 3 goals and not lose as opposed to the 2-1 team lost and only managed 1 goal. The goals scored is different by +2 on the 3-3 game and they managed a draw.

Look at it this way had the 2-1 loss been a 4-3 loss,  the winning team would get 9 points while the losing team would receive 3 points. That's also 12 points total. Not sure I explained it properly, but I do see your point now. Basically every game is different based on goals scored and final results.

A 10 point system has always been 10 points to be awarded per game. How that is divided up is based on the results.

Awarding 12 points per game is completely unfair to a team that dominates another team but can only earn 10 points.

A 2-2 tie should not be worth more or less than a 1-1 tie or a 0-0 tie. A tie is a tie. Having porous defenses that result in a 5-5 tie should not be awarded more than a team that plays air-tight D and earns a 0-0 tie.

From North Texas Soccer :
Brackets with three (3), four (4), or five (5) teams that play each other within the bracket, the team with the highest total points will advance from the bracket. Three (3) team brackets that play crossover games with other three (3) team brackets, the top two (2) teams with the highest total points of the two (2) brackets combined will advance. Preliminary games may end in a tie. If Quarter Final games end in a tie, FIFA “kicks” from the mark will be taken to determine the winner. If semi-final or final games end in a tie, two (2) overtime halves will be played, and if the game is still tied at the end of the second overtime period, FIFA “kicks” from the mark will be taken to determine the winner.
NTSSA scoring system for mini-games will be as follows:
a. 6 points for a win
b. 3 points for a tie
c. 0 points for a loss
d. 1 point per goal scored in the game with a maximum of 3
e. 1 point for a shutout (not allowing opponent to score)
f. A forfeit game will be scored at a 3-0 win in calculating mini-games points for tiebreaker determination.

There is no 10 point total per game rule. I disagree on your view of draws. They are worth the same to be clear. It is a separate rule of the scoring system that gives up to 3 points per goal. They can't take away goals scored as points just because one person doesn't think it's fair. Goals scored are used as tie breakers at times or goal differential. Some times it's shutouts or fewest goals scored. The point is goals do matter and they can't be discredited because of draws. Everyone has the same opportunity to score the same points each game. It can't be any more fair than that.

Exactly how is it unfair? A team getting the max of 10 points gets 4 more points than the hypothetical 3-3 draw? They are getting 4 more points. That's a huge difference and advantage in bracket play.

No where in the in 10 point scoring system does it say games are worth 10 points to be divided amongst the two teams.

In international games, they use the 3 point system where a win is 3 points and tie is 1 point. In the event of a tie, each team gets 1 point. What happened to the extra point? By your false logic, each international game is worth 3 points, so a tie should give each team 1.5 points.

10 point system means that 10 points is the most tournament points a team can accumulate per game. Move on.

Welcome to tournament soccer. If you want a good debate about something, look into tie-breakers for tournaments. Every tournament is different. Some rank number of shutouts ahead of number of yellow cards received and point differential. The disparity between tournaments and what should rank over what would be a better discussion.

I agree, it would stink to win 2 games and loose the wild card slot to a team that only managed 1 win and a tie but that is unfortunately the way it worked out. The only sure way to make sure your team advances is to just win your bracket. Don't complain about bad calls, non calls, etc. Just win the games you need to win, move on, and don't under any circumstances ever rely on "luck".

So a 3-3 draw gets 6 points, the same a team gets for a win? Yes I realize that there will be points added once the bonus points are in, but a team winning 2-1 gets 8 points. How is a tie worth 6 points?

And why is a 3-3 tie worth double a 0-0 tie? What makes that so special? My point, regardless of what team made it and what team did not, is that it is ridiculous.

Hypothetical:
Team A goes 2 wins and 1 loss in pool play. Team B ties 3 games.

Armed with that information, who advances (based on common sense)?
Seems really obvious to me.

But Team A wins 2-1 twice and gets 8 points each time and then loses 1-0. Their total points are 16 at the end of Pool Play. Team B ties all three games 3-3 but yields 6 points each time for a total of 18 and then advances.

I know this is hypothetical, but that is lunacy, but it could really happen.

Take the same scenario and apply the 3 point system that everyone uses in Classic League, the MLS, EPL, etc.
Team A has 6 points, Team B has 3 points. Not even close.

I will go back to my original point..."Terrible Scoring System Applied"

moveyourfeet wrote:

And why is a 3-3 tie worth double a 0-0 tie? What makes that so special? My point, regardless of what team made it and what team did not, is that it is ridiculous.

0-0, both teams receive 4 points. 3-3, both teams receive 6 points. That is not double.

Move on. Tournaments are not dropping the 10 point system.