02 QT Bracket Picks

So who will win each bracket and who will get second this coming weekend? Looks like the seeding is about right, and I do not see any teams that really got hard done by the seeding committee. So picks for this weekend are:

1. Bracket A:
DTS First
Aztecas Second

2. Bracket B:
Solar Red First
Chivas Second

3. Bracket C:
FCD Central First
Arsenal second

4. Bracket D:
Solar First
FCD Black (Luna) Second

5. Bracket E:
FCD Pino First
Solar Blue Second

6. Bracket F:
LP Rush First
Andromeda Second

7. Bracket G:
DT Thornber first
GSSC Second

8. Bracket H:
LP Gerrard First
DT Red Second

9. Bracket I
FCD Gomes First
MEja Williams Second

10. Bracket J:
TFC Larry First
Wizards SEcond

11. Bracket K:
LP Owen First
Arsenal Second

12. Bracket L:
Sporting First
FDC South BLue Second

13. Bracket M:
Fort Worth Strikers First
Odyssey Second

14. Bracket N.
Tx Suns First
FC Forzi Second

15. Bracket O:
Ayses Gold First
FCD Gold Second.


Don't see many upsets. The second weekend will be where the pressure ramps up as the seeds for this weekend look right and things will probably go as predicted.

Thoughts?

Gatorz wrote:So who will win each bracket and who will get second this coming weekend? Looks like the seeding is about right, and I do not see any teams that really got hard done by the seeding committee. So picks for this weekend are:

1. Bracket A:
DTS First
Aztecas Second

2. Bracket B:
Solar Red First
Chivas Second

3. Bracket C:
FCD Central First
Arsenal second

4. Bracket D:
Solar First
FCD Black (Luna) Second

5. Bracket E:
FCD Pino First
Solar Blue Second

6. Bracket F:
LP Rush First
Andromeda Second

7. Bracket G:
DT Thornber first
GSSC Second

8. Bracket H:
LP Gerrard First
DT Red Second

9. Bracket I
FCD Gomes First
MEja Williams Second

10. Bracket J:
TFC Larry First
Wizards SEcond

11. Bracket K:
LP Owen First
Arsenal Second

12. Bracket L:
Sporting First
FDC South BLue Second

13. Bracket M:
Fort Worth Strikers First
Odyssey Second

14. Bracket N.
Tx Suns First
FC Forzi Second

15. Bracket O:
Ayses Gold First
FCD Gold Second.


Don't see many upsets. The second weekend will be where the pressure ramps up as the seeds for this weekend look right and things will probably go as predicted.

Thoughts?

Never know with the heat boys taking vacation, 1st round upset could happend

What wrote:

Gatorz wrote:So who will win each bracket and who will get second this coming weekend? Looks like the seeding is about right, and I do not see any teams that really got hard done by the seeding committee. So picks for this weekend are:

1. Bracket A:
DTS First
Aztecas Second

2. Bracket B:
Solar Red First
Chivas Second

3. Bracket C:
FCD Central First
Arsenal second

4. Bracket D:
Solar First
FCD Black (Luna) Second

5. Bracket E:
FCD Pino First
Solar Blue Second

6. Bracket F:
LP Rush First
Andromeda Second

7. Bracket G:
DT Thornber first
GSSC Second

8. Bracket H:
LP Gerrard First
DT Red Second

9. Bracket I
FCD Gomes First
MEja Williams Second

10. Bracket J:
TFC Larry First
Wizards SEcond

11. Bracket K:
LP Owen First
Arsenal Second

12. Bracket L:
Sporting First
FDC South BLue Second

13. Bracket M:
Fort Worth Strikers First
Odyssey Second

14. Bracket N.
Tx Suns First
FC Forzi Second

15. Bracket O:
Ayses Gold First
FCD Gold Second.


Don't see many upsets. The second weekend will be where the pressure ramps up as the seeds for this weekend look right and things will probably go as predicted.

Thoughts?

Never know with the heat boys taking vacation, 1st round upset could happend

Agree that anything is possible, particularly with 10 year olds. The heat could be a major factor but I assume most of the teams have been practicing in it for the last few weeks.

Not sure about vacations. Do any parents plan vacations during the QT and their kid misses the games? I would be suprised if any coach would approve of vacations this weekend. We should see teams at full strength.

I don't expect many upsets either.

In the 02 Girls QT there was 12 brackets. Every bracket was won by their top seed except the last bracket where the 12 seed was knocked off by the 13th seed (hardly a shock result).

Also the 2nd seed of each bracket finished 2nd in 7 of 11 brackets.

My picks are FC Premier win bracket N and Ayses Gold win bracket O.

Gatorz wrote:

What wrote:

Gatorz wrote:So who will win each bracket and who will get second this coming weekend? Looks like the seeding is about right, and I do not see any teams that really got hard done by the seeding committee. So picks for this weekend are:

1. Bracket A:
DTS First
Aztecas Second

2. Bracket B:
Solar Red First
Chivas Second

3. Bracket C:
FCD Central First
Arsenal second

4. Bracket D:
Solar First
FCD Black (Luna) Second

5. Bracket E:
FCD Pino First
Solar Blue Second

6. Bracket F:
LP Rush First
Andromeda Second

7. Bracket G:
DT Thornber first
GSSC Second

8. Bracket H:
LP Gerrard First
DT Red Second

9. Bracket I
FCD Gomes First
MEja Williams Second

10. Bracket J:
TFC Larry First
Wizards SEcond

11. Bracket K:
LP Owen First
Arsenal Second

12. Bracket L:
Sporting First
FDC South BLue Second

13. Bracket M:
Fort Worth Strikers First
Odyssey Second

14. Bracket N.
Tx Suns First
FC Forzi Second

15. Bracket O:
Ayses Gold First
FCD Gold Second.


Don't see many upsets. The second weekend will be where the pressure ramps up as the seeds for this weekend look right and things will probably go as predicted.

Thoughts?

Never know with the heat boys taking vacation, 1st round upset could happend

Agree that anything is possible, particularly with 10 year olds. The heat could be a major factor but I assume most of the teams have been practicing in it for the last few weeks.

Not sure about vacations. Do any parents plan vacations during the QT and their kid misses the games? I would be suprised if any coach would approve of vacations this weekend. We should see teams at full strength.

Its easy to just predict the top two seeds to advance. How many of the teams have you actually seen play? You can spend days upon days looking at playing history of teams vs their opponents vs all of their oppenents vs all of theirs, etc. The board I'm sure does a great job at seeding, but its not full proof and there will be upsets especially beyond group E. It think it's funny to see how some people on here rank teams and predict winners when they actually have very little or no knowledge of both teams involved in a game.

sumsoccer wrote:

Gatorz wrote:

What wrote:

Gatorz wrote:So who will win each bracket and who will get second this coming weekend? Looks like the seeding is about right, and I do not see any teams that really got hard done by the seeding committee. So picks for this weekend are:

1. Bracket A:
DTS First
Aztecas Second

2. Bracket B:
Solar Red First
Chivas Second

3. Bracket C:
FCD Central First
Arsenal second

4. Bracket D:
Solar First
FCD Black (Luna) Second

5. Bracket E:
FCD Pino First
Solar Blue Second

6. Bracket F:
LP Rush First
Andromeda Second

7. Bracket G:
DT Thornber first
GSSC Second

8. Bracket H:
LP Gerrard First
DT Red Second

9. Bracket I
FCD Gomes First
MEja Williams Second

10. Bracket J:
TFC Larry First
Wizards SEcond

11. Bracket K:
LP Owen First
Arsenal Second

12. Bracket L:
Sporting First
FDC South BLue Second

13. Bracket M:
Fort Worth Strikers First
Odyssey Second

14. Bracket N.
Tx Suns First
FC Forzi Second

15. Bracket O:
Ayses Gold First
FCD Gold Second.


Don't see many upsets. The second weekend will be where the pressure ramps up as the seeds for this weekend look right and things will probably go as predicted.

Thoughts?

Never know with the heat boys taking vacation, 1st round upset could happend

Agree that anything is possible, particularly with 10 year olds. The heat could be a major factor but I assume most of the teams have been practicing in it for the last few weeks.

Not sure about vacations. Do any parents plan vacations during the QT and their kid misses the games? I would be suprised if any coach would approve of vacations this weekend. We should see teams at full strength.

Its easy to just predict the top two seeds to advance. How many of the teams have you actually seen play? You can spend days upon days looking at playing history of teams vs their opponents vs all of their oppenents vs all of theirs, etc. The board I'm sure does a great job at seeding, but its not full proof and there will be upsets especially beyond group E. It think it's funny to see how some people on here rank teams and predict winners when they actually have very little or no knowledge of both teams involved in a game.

I have seen a lot of these teams play ( as most people that have a kid in this age group for a few years have) and have looked at tournament and league scores. But you are right, I mostly think the first two seeds will move on. There could be upsets and more than likely will be a few, I just don't know where and could not predict any.

What upsets do you predict?

If FCD Black got 2nd, that would be a huge upset. They struggled in the KT bronze.

snjn1ab wrote:If FCD Black got 2nd, that would be a huge upset. They struggled in the KT bronze.

That will be an interesting group (D). I clearly expect Solar Chelsea to win the group, but LP Paisley and FCD Black tied each other in the King Tut. Then you have a team, HP Scots, trying to make the jump from rec. While I don't think that will be very successful, I've never seen them play so have no idea as to their quality. I think it will come down to the game between LP and FCD. Winner advances or if goes to a draw again, tiebreakers could come into play.

debit wrote:

snjn1ab wrote:If FCD Black got 2nd, that would be a huge upset. They struggled in the KT bronze.

That will be an interesting group (D). I clearly expect Solar Chelsea to win the group, but LP Paisley and FCD Black tied each other in the King Tut. Then you have a team, HP Scots, trying to make the jump from rec. While I don't think that will be very successful, I've never seen them play so have no idea as to their quality. I think it will come down to the game between LP and FCD. Winner advances or if goes to a draw again, tiebreakers could come into play.

Easily the softest bracket. I've got to think that they had Scots as the 2nd seed in the bracket. Paisley is a solid team, but I cannot se them or FCD in classic this year.

I see two possible upsets...

Mexico FC (Bracket O) and Azzuri (Bracket J). Both got horrible seeds, and could easily steal a d1 spot.

Bracket G between Genesis and GSSC should be good.

The BIGGEST winners of the seedings are brackets A and B! So if i understand correctly, whoever finishes 2nd place in brackets A and B is going to classic league? Am I missing something?

Really? So, basically the winners of the these matchups will make classic league:


SUPERIOR SC AZTECAS 02B (SALDANA)vs. BOCA JUNIOR'S F.C. 02B GOLD (VILLANUEVA)-Winner to Classic League!

BARCELONA SC 02B (QUINTANA)vs.CHIVAS USA 02B (MANCILLA- Winner to Classic League!

Enjoy the INSANITY

GOOOAAALLL wrote:The BIGGEST winners of the seedings are brackets A and B! So if i understand correctly, whoever finishes 2nd place in brackets A and B is going to classic league? Am I missing something?

Really? So, basically the winners of the these matchups will make classic league:


SUPERIOR SC AZTECAS 02B (SALDANA)vs. BOCA JUNIOR'S F.C. 02B GOLD (VILLANUEVA)-Winner to Classic League!

BARCELONA SC 02B (QUINTANA)vs.CHIVAS USA 02B (MANCILLA- Winner to Classic League!

Enjoy the INSANITY

That is a good point and does not make much sense. Looks like the best seeds were any seeds in the three team bracket. Makes it much easier to get through. Even if you assume you will lose to the number one seeds in those brackets (DTS and Solar Red) all you have to do is win one game to get in Classic League against a team even to your own. We must be missing something.

snjn1ab wrote:

debit wrote:

snjn1ab wrote:If FCD Black got 2nd, that would be a huge upset. They struggled in the KT bronze.

That will be an interesting group (D). I clearly expect Solar Chelsea to win the group, but LP Paisley and FCD Black tied each other in the King Tut. Then you have a team, HP Scots, trying to make the jump from rec. While I don't think that will be very successful, I've never seen them play so have no idea as to their quality. I think it will come down to the game between LP and FCD. Winner advances or if goes to a draw again, tiebreakers could come into play.

Easily the softest bracket. I've got to think that they had Scots as the 2nd seed in the bracket. Paisley is a solid team, but I cannot se them or FCD in classic this year.

You don't have to guess on the seeds. Scots is the 4 seed in this group--not the 2 seed. Just go to the QT schedule then click on the "Grid" link near the top of the page. It shows the seeds for each group. There's no guesswork about who is 1,2,3,4 within the groups.

BTW, I will disagree with you on this being the softest group. I think that's in Group I. FCD Red (Gomez) is the 1 seed followed by Meja Williams, FC Cyclones and TFC Blue (Palaez).

On the opposite end of the spectrum. In Bracket O, a deserving team will be left out of Classic league between FCD Gold, AYSES Gold and Mexico FC.

debit wrote:
On the opposite end of the spectrum. In Bracket O, a deserving team will be left out of Classic league between FCD Gold, AYSES Gold and Mexico FC.

I agree, bummer for the team that gets left out. They really dropped the ball with this group. All three teams are clear classic level teams. I foresee whoever gets left out dominating whatever league they play in.

I really think the teams in O and J are the ones who did not get a good draw. I really think the committee does a good job but they really blew it with these two. Look at groups F and L and then look at O and J. Really? I have seen them play and they are not number 50.

debit wrote:

snjn1ab wrote:

debit wrote:

snjn1ab wrote:If FCD Black got 2nd, that would be a huge upset. They struggled in the KT bronze.

That will be an interesting group (D). I clearly expect Solar Chelsea to win the group, but LP Paisley and FCD Black tied each other in the King Tut. Then you have a team, HP Scots, trying to make the jump from rec. While I don't think that will be very successful, I've never seen them play so have no idea as to their quality. I think it will come down to the game between LP and FCD. Winner advances or if goes to a draw again, tiebreakers could come into play.

Easily the softest bracket. I've got to think that they had Scots as the 2nd seed in the bracket. Paisley is a solid team, but I cannot se them or FCD in classic this year.

You don't have to guess on the seeds. Scots is the 4 seed in this group--not the 2 seed. Just go to the QT schedule then click on the "Grid" link near the top of the page. It shows the seeds for each group. There's no guesswork about who is 1,2,3,4 within the groups.

BTW, I will disagree with you on this being the softest group. I think that's in Group I. FCD Red (Gomez) is the 1 seed followed by Meja Williams, FC Cyclones and TFC Blue (Palaez).

On the opposite end of the spectrum. In Bracket O, a deserving team will be left out of Classic league between FCD Gold, AYSES Gold and Mexico FC.

Thanks for the grid info. I think that both Gomez and Meja demonstrated that they should be considered for classic, while the seeding alone is the deciding factor to allow either Paisley or FCD Black without requiring them to beat 2 classic-level teams. FCD Black did not win a game on KT Bronze and got beat badly by the 55th ranked team. Yet, they end up 34 here? They were put above FCD Blue, which beat FCD Black in a tourney not too long ago. I'd love to hear whoever made that choice explain it. They should consider correcting it.

fredsoc1 wrote:I really think the teams in O and J are the ones who did not get a good draw. I really think the committee does a good job but they really blew it with these two. Does anyone know how the seeding works? How are the rankings done? Looking into this I do not see how an Azzurri beat a Genesis team 7-0 a few weeks ago and gets seeded 15 spots lower than them. Azzurri also beat Chivas 2-0 and got seeded 21 lower than them. I could go on but seems mistakes are made. Look at groups F and L and then look at O and J. Really? I have seen them play and they are not number 50.

Azzurri I feel is ranked lower than were they should be but the game vs Genesis was Genesis 2nd game that day with just a game in between and several players at lunch during that time. (sometimes people dont think) Geneis also beat AYSES 02 5-3 a month ago and lost to them 3-1 last week with 3 key players out on vacation, another with a sprained ankle and another one with a sick stomach. AYSES 02 beat Azzurri a couple weeks ago 4-1 but has not posted yet.

Its only 20 spots on cl1 and 15 groups of 4. 2 teams each group advance. That make 30

sumsoccer wrote:

fredsoc1 wrote:I really think the teams in O and J are the ones who did not get a good draw. I really think the committee does a good job but they really blew it with these two. Does anyone know how the seeding works? How are the rankings done? Looking into this I do not see how an Azzurri beat a Genesis team 7-0 a few weeks ago and gets seeded 15 spots lower than them. Azzurri also beat Chivas 2-0 and got seeded 21 lower than them. I could go on but seems mistakes are made. Look at groups F and L and then look at O and J. Really? I have seen them play and they are not number 50.

Azzurri I feel is ranked lower than were they should be but the game vs Genesis was Genesis 2nd game that day with just a game in between and several players at lunch during that time. (sometimes people dont think) Geneis also beat AYSES 02 5-3 a month ago and lost to them 3-1 last week with 3 key players out on vacation, another with a sprained ankle and another one with a sick stomach. AYSES 02 beat Azzurri a couple weeks ago 4-1 but has not posted yet.

Please tell me that the committee did not consider the scores of a summer development league with very liberal roster requirements in its decisions.

snjn1ab wrote:

sumsoccer wrote:

fredsoc1 wrote:I really think the teams in O and J are the ones who did not get a good draw. I really think the committee does a good job but they really blew it with these two. Does anyone know how the seeding works? How are the rankings done? Looking into this I do not see how an Azzurri beat a Genesis team 7-0 a few weeks ago and gets seeded 15 spots lower than them. Azzurri also beat Chivas 2-0 and got seeded 21 lower than them. I could go on but seems mistakes are made. Look at groups F and L and then look at O and J. Really? I have seen them play and they are not number 50.

Azzurri I feel is ranked lower than were they should be but the game vs Genesis was Genesis 2nd game that day with just a game in between and several players at lunch during that time. (sometimes people dont think) Geneis also beat AYSES 02 5-3 a month ago and lost to them 3-1 last week with 3 key players out on vacation, another with a sprained ankle and another one with a sick stomach. AYSES 02 beat Azzurri a couple weeks ago 4-1 but has not posted yet.

Please tell me that the committee did not consider the scores of a summer development league with very liberal roster requirements in its decisions.

I agree completely. Not the best source of team rankings since most the rosters were vacationing or trying out new players...

All of us could come up with excuses about goalie was sick, kid missing, and so forth but the selection committee will never know this and only has results to go on.

Not going to get into a debate about who belongs where but does anyone really know how the committe comes up with the rankings. Is there anything written that shows the criteria? Tut, Puma, Adidas, PYL, SDL, UAL, and so forth. I think it would help if teams knew so they could play the right tournaments and leagues to make it easier for the rankers.

jltx1 wrote:All of us could come up with excuses about goalie was sick, kid missing, and so forth but the selection committee will never know this and only has results to go on.

Not going to get into a debate about who belongs where but does anyone really know how the committe comes up with the rankings. Is there anything written that shows the criteria? Tut, Puma, Adidas, PYL, SDL, UAL, and so forth. I think it would help if teams knew so they could play the right tournaments and leagues to make it easier for the rankers.

The way it works is that the classic folks pole key directors of coaching at the bigger clubs and a select few respected coaches throughout the NTX soccer community. Each is asked to rank the list of teams. They aggregate all the feedback and then sit down with a smaller group and finalize it. If your coach is well respected and been around a while, he is probably part of the process.

Keep in mind that this process has worked extremely well year after year (look at the qualifying results and the initial ranking of the past several years). Taking feedback from those that are most involved with the age group seems to be a great approach to me.

slampg wrote:

jltx1 wrote:All of us could come up with excuses about goalie was sick, kid missing, and so forth but the selection committee will never know this and only has results to go on.

Not going to get into a debate about who belongs where but does anyone really know how the committe comes up with the rankings. Is there anything written that shows the criteria? Tut, Puma, Adidas, PYL, SDL, UAL, and so forth. I think it would help if teams knew so they could play the right tournaments and leagues to make it easier for the rankers.

The way it works is that the classic folks pole key directors of coaching at the bigger clubs and a select few respected coaches throughout the NTX soccer community. Each is asked to rank the list of teams. They aggregate all the feedback and then sit down with a smaller group and finalize it. If your coach is well respected and been around a while, he is probably part of the process.

Keep in mind that this process has worked extremely well year after year (look at the qualifying results and the initial ranking of the past several years). Taking feedback from those that are most involved with the age group seems to be a great approach to me.

That would be a good way, but I suspect tha took a detour with some teams amd just put them with a team that they tied, even though no coach would have ranked a team that high. Again, I'd like to hear an explaination for the 3-4 teams that have been mentioned here.

snjn1ab wrote:

slampg wrote:

jltx1 wrote:All of us could come up with excuses about goalie was sick, kid missing, and so forth but the selection committee will never know this and only has results to go on.

Not going to get into a debate about who belongs where but does anyone really know how the committe comes up with the rankings. Is there anything written that shows the criteria? Tut, Puma, Adidas, PYL, SDL, UAL, and so forth. I think it would help if teams knew so they could play the right tournaments and leagues to make it easier for the rankers.

The way it works is that the classic folks pole key directors of coaching at the bigger clubs and a select few respected coaches throughout the NTX soccer community. Each is asked to rank the list of teams. They aggregate all the feedback and then sit down with a smaller group and finalize it. If your coach is well respected and been around a while, he is probably part of the process.

Keep in mind that this process has worked extremely well year after year (look at the qualifying results and the initial ranking of the past several years). Taking feedback from those that are most involved with the age group seems to be a great approach to me.

That would be a good way, but I suspect tha took a detour with some teams amd just put them with a team that they tied, even though no coach would have ranked a team that high. Again, I'd like to hear an explaination for the 3-4 teams that have been mentioned here.

Every year there is an uproar with complaints about seeding. And, every year that year's complainers try to argue that their respective year is different from year's past. It is hard to argue with history as those whom have ranked and seeded the QT seem to consistently get it correct. Bottom line, do your work and win, you are in. Stop with the excuses...