Re: Rec Players and Club Teams

by my2cents 8/15/2013, 2:27 pm

R1 wrote:
foghornleghorn wrote:
madmark33 wrote:It seems that Rule 3.10.1 pretty much covers it.
Nope... 3.10.3. 3.10.1 is for competitive youth players (i.e., U11+).

The rule applies to competitive "teams" - not players. So yea, your player won't get in trouble, but the competitive team will.

Look at the following rules. You aren't going to find a "competitive" team or club that is going to allow a under-aged player to come in regularly - especially if its a top-end team with competitors who want to find a reason to give the team problems.

If your team allows under aged players to practice with it, fine - the player is not the one at risk - its the team that is at risk.

3.10 YOUTH CONTRACTS AND RELEASES
3.10.1
No coach, assistant coach, trainer, or team representative may practice any soccer related activity
with any NTSSA registered player who does not appear on his current NTSSA roster or is not
considered to be a free agent by current NTSSA Rules and Regulations except for a coach, who at
the request of another teams coach, substitutes for that coach at practice or games for the
convenience of the requesting coach. A free agent is a player in the U-11 through U-19 age
division who desires to participate on a competitive team and is not rostered to any team. A
competitive player may practice with another team if he has received a written permission letter
signed by his current coach that sets out the dates and the team with which the player will practice.
The player is to give the letter to the coach of the team with which he is practicing, and he must
keep a copy for himself.

4.10 TRYOUTS
NTSSA has no rule that condones or restricts tryouts except that tryouts are not allowed for U-6 through U-
10 players. It does, therefore, support its Member Association’s rules concerning the matter. If the
player’s home association does not allow or refuses the right to hold tryouts, NTSSA must uphold the
Member Association’s actions.

4.11 COMPETITIVE LEAGUE RESTRICTIONS FOR U-6, U-8, AND U-10
4.11.1
No Member Association may conduct or sponsor any competitive league competition in U-6, U-8,
and U-10 age groups.
Players who have not attained the proper age to be eligible for Under 12 play shall not be allowed
to play up on competitive (select or tryout) teams or in tournaments designated as competitive
(this includes recreational all-star teams).
Players who are not eligible for Under 12 play are not free agents and are not eligible to attend
tryouts.

4.11.2
Those Member Associations who are found to be in violation of this rule, after a formal
investigation conducted by the State Youth Commissioner, shall be immediately declared to be in
bad standing as defined in NTSSA Bylaws Article II, Paragraph 2.2.3-6,7. Teams of such
Member Associations shall be removed from all competition: Intrastate, Interstate, Regional, and
National. Should teams from this association have travel permits approved, they also will be
rescinded

These rules above need to be considered in the context of the sections they are in.

3.10 YOUTH CONTRACTS AND RELEASES
3.10.1
This player is not of the age to be entered into a youth contract nor need a release from one therefore this section is not pertannent to this player or a coach's dealings with him..

4.10 TRYOUTS
This is not a tryout. Not relevant.

4.11 COMPETITIVE LEAGUE RESTRICTIONS FOR U-6, U-8, AND U-10
4.11.1
There is no league play involved. Not relevant

As a former A&D Chairman that is how I would advise committee members to rule here. There is no harm to either team, no advantaged afforded either team. Therefore any committeee or chairman should rule in favor of the player as there is no rule specifically forbidding it under these circumstances.

And once again who is the complaint going to be filed by?

Just my 2cents worth. Smile

by madmark33 8/15/2013, 2:43 pm

I wonder, technically speaking, if when the current recreational season is over and before the next Rec. season begins, could the player then practice with any team that allows him too?

At that point in time, even though he is not yet competitive age, say in between Fall and Spring seasons, he is just an unregistered player. No obligation to an organization.

by kickback49 8/15/2013, 2:48 pm

I am just curious and maybe you already mentioned this, but what Rec Organization are you with?

by madmark33 8/15/2013, 2:51 pm

Greater Wichita Falls

by nearpost95 8/15/2013, 3:57 pm

Per the rules, he CANNOT practice with the older team.

"No coach, assistant coach, trainer, or team representative may practice any soccer related activity
with any NTSSA registered player who does not appear on his current NTSSA roster or is not
considered to be a free agent by current NTSSA Rules and Regulation"

"Players who are not eligible for Under 12 play are not free agents".

He cannot practice with the older team because he is not on the roster and is not a free agent, because he must be of select age to be a free agent.

by earbucket 8/15/2013, 4:29 pm

Since you are willing to pay the coach, why don't you and he begin forming an 04 to train and then participate in tournaments as a supplement to your son's rec play. I am sure WF area has plenty of young players available.

by madmark33 8/15/2013, 4:40 pm

earbucket wrote:Since you are willing to pay the coach, why don't you and he begin forming an 04 to train and then participate in tournaments as a supplement to your son's rec play. I am sure WF area has plenty of young players available.

That is the plan now, knowing that we can't practice with his 03's.

I was just wondering if anybody had any a specific ruling to point to regarding the U10 Rec player practicing w/ a U11 competitive team. It seems so. So, on to plan "B".

See about forming an 04' academy team and possibly go from there.

by allen04 8/16/2013, 8:47 am

You should have just stopped reading after my post.

If the coach and the other parents do not have a problem with it; just do it. Nothing will come of it. The powers that be can't even make a habit of checking rosters at games they sure as hell aren't going to check a roster at a practice.

by Slakemoth 8/16/2013, 10:13 am

allen04 wrote:You should have just stopped reading after my post.

If the coach and the other parents do not have a problem with it; just do it. Nothing will come of it. The powers that be can't even make a habit of checking rosters at games they sure as hell aren't going to check a roster at a practice.

Technicalities, and rules aside, I think the biggest issue will be:

(a) the kid will not be covered under his NTSSA insurance if anything happens

(b) As someone pointed out here there will be a HIGH probability of resentment from the parents on the Club team ( "why is this kid that is not even on the team out here") . I experienced this when coaching at the Academy level, it will only be compounded at the Club level.

by The German 8/16/2013, 11:34 am

allen04 wrote:You should have just stopped reading after my post.

If the coach and the other parents do not have a problem with it; just do it. Nothing will come of it. The powers that be can't even make a habit of checking rosters at games they sure as hell aren't going to check a roster at a practice.

Don't fool yourself. I have seen it happened several times that a coach/player got their hand slapped because they were not following the rules by NTSSA. How they found out? Sideline talk during games by parents.

by allen04 8/16/2013, 11:39 am

Sure.

Best come to a full and complete stop at every stop sign as well.

by finish1 8/16/2013, 1:16 pm

Seen it happen, too.

U9 player was a starter on a team at U10. Team went Select at U11, younger player showed up for practices, then it suddenly stopped.

I didn't have a problem with it, but someone did.

Never underestimate the current of a silent stream.

by Slakemoth 8/16/2013, 1:49 pm

finish1 wrote:Never underestimate the current of a silent stream.

I like that one...

by nearpost95 8/16/2013, 9:33 pm

If you have experienced getting bumped from playing time and attention from the coach by guest players, you'll understand the impact of a non-rostered player being around.

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