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Post by finish1 1/5/2015, 6:48 am

New thread about the rules of the game and culture we are all a part of. Here is an example, post your answer with an explanation.

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While taking a PK, the player hits the cross bar, then headers the rebounding ball into the goal. What is the call?
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Post by Guest 1/5/2015, 7:04 am

No goal and I believe it is an indirect free
Kick for the defending team.  

This is Assuming "the player" is also the one who took the PK (and that keeper or another player didn't touch the ball before the header into the goal).  

At least that was the rule when in a high school game a long time ago. I did pretty much exactly what you described, except it was a volley on the rebound.  At the time I didnt know the rule  and thought it should have been a goal.  :-)


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Post by finish1 1/5/2015, 9:00 am

That is the call. Indirect free kick for the defending team. I've seen lots of spills by the keeper and many pinged around the box after the PK, but never a header into the goal after a rebound off the cross bar.

On your kick in HS, what do you mean by volley? You made contact with the ball while it was still in the air after hitting the cross bar?
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Post by PitchBound 1/5/2015, 9:00 am

Blue is correct, the call should be "NO GOAL".

FIFA Laws of the game 2013-14 states that after taking the penalty kick, the player must not play the ball again until it has touched another player.

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Post by finish1 1/5/2015, 10:14 am

Exactly. It was very cool for Blue to give an example. He also gave the correct restart. Maybe someone has experienced this one:

LOTG #2

On a dropped ball restart, the Red team has three players at the restart and the Blue team has only two players at the restart. Should the restart be allowed?
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Post by The German 1/5/2015, 10:35 am

Was one player of the Blue team sent off?
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Post by finish1 1/5/2015, 11:49 am

OK, let me put it another way. At the point of a drop ball restart, how many players from each team are required to participate?
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Post by The German 1/5/2015, 12:01 pm

finish1 wrote:OK, let me put it another way. At the point of a drop ball restart, how many players from each team are required to participate?
Finish I was actually kidding but to answer your question there is no min or max amount of players needed.
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Post by finish1 1/5/2015, 12:20 pm

Interesting rule. In a drop ball situation, a ref can make the drop with only one team participating. Seems unfair, but the CR has that right.

Also, a ref can walk over and just drop the ball with no teams lined up to participate.

Would prefer that rule to be more like a jump ball in basketball. Except, of course, the ball is dropped on the ground instead of tossed in the air.
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Post by nearpost95 1/5/2015, 12:51 pm

LOTG: "Any player may challenge for the ball (including the goalkeeper). There is no minimum or maximum number of players required to contest a dropped ball.
The referee cannot decide who may or may not contest a dropped ball."

The situation where you see a referee executing a "courtesy drop" with only 1 player participating is to "fairly" handle the case where play is stopped for an injury while one team had clear possession of the ball.   The opposing team kicks the ball back to the team that had possession.  (This is also done when play is stopped while the keeper holds the ball - the ball is dropped unchallenged to the keeper.)  Although this is not technically correct - if the referee dictates - it has evolved to be accepted and expected by teams at all levels.

Interestingly enough, this "unofficial" law resulted in an actual change to the Laws of the Game - a goal can no longer be scored directly from a drop ball, i.e., one touch straight into the goal.  This was instituted after a player on the world stage kicked a courtesy drop into the opponents' goal - the referee had to award the goal.

High school rules (NFHS) handle the situation with an indirect kick for the team in possession, but not something you want to do in the attacking third so ref must be cautious of when to stop play.

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Post by finish1 1/6/2015, 7:48 am

Here is another example:

On a throw in, the red team throws the ball back to his keeper, who doesn't realize the ball is coming his way. The ball rolls directly into the net. Is that an own goal?
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Post by The German 1/6/2015, 7:58 am

Corner for the blue team.
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Post by finish1 1/6/2015, 11:46 am

Crazy rule. It should be counted as on OG!

Here is an example I believe many of us have experienced with mixed results:

A foul is committed and a direct free kick is awarded. Both teams line up for the set piece and just before the play begins, time expires (including extra time allowed for stoppage). What happens next?
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Post by The German 1/6/2015, 12:03 pm

Good one. Unless it's a pk it's up to the discretion of the ref, I think. PK has to be executed. If I remember correctly once upon a time the ball had to be in play before the final whistle.
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Post by finish1 1/6/2015, 1:53 pm

Yeah, I was at a game last Fall where this happened. It was on a corner kick as timed expired in the second half. Both teams were setup and just when we thought it was about to happen, the CR blows the whistle and ends match. Nothing wrong there, just odd that that play wasn't allowed to restart for the set piece. Then blow the whistle on the subsequent goal or clearance.

Of course, if the game was tied and the other team was teeing up a corner kick for the win, I might be relieved to hear the whistle. LOL!
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Post by The German 1/6/2015, 2:21 pm

I remember a WC game between Sweden and Brazil were the ref blew the whistle while the ball was in the air after a corner. Brazil players were furious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0JFuWqwFg4
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Post by donotquestion 1/6/2015, 2:33 pm

Question - scenario - player from red team takes a throw in, player from blue team kicks the ball right back to player from red team who just took the throw in,  red player is standing out of bounds has not moved, bang - bang play, red player catches the ball as it was kicked right at him.    What is the call?   Just curious

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Post by finish1 1/6/2015, 2:54 pm

I guess it would depend on whether or not the entire ball crossed the touchline when the Blue team kicked it back to the red team. If it did, the ball is out of play and it would be a throw in for the Red team.

If the entire ball did not cross the touch line, it would be a handling offense on the Red team and a free kick for the Blue team.
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Post by finish1 1/15/2015, 7:22 am

Here is another example:

Prior to the opening whistle, a ref hears a player ranting and using abusive language, then sends him off. How many players will the offending team be allowed to use at the start of the game?
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Post by soccerdadrandy 1/15/2015, 8:52 am

finish1 wrote:Here is another example:

Prior to the opening whistle, a ref hears a player ranting and using abusive language, then sends him off. How many players will the offending team be allowed to use at the start of the game?

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Post by nearpost95 1/15/2015, 10:30 am


Red player properly executes a throw-in. Since it is all over the news, let's say a flip-throw that travels 40 yards in the air directly to Blue's keeper, who is a step off the goal line. Ball enters the goal.

How is game restarted for each of these scenarios?

1. Blue's keeper doesn't move. Ball flies directly into the goal untouched.
2. Blue's keeper tries to punch the ball out but misses. Ball enters goal, again untouched.
3. Blue's keeper touches the ball in an attempt to punch it over the bar, but the ball enters the goal anyway. (as in viral McKinney Boyd v Wakeland video)


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Post by Refmike 1/15/2015, 11:53 am

nearpost95 wrote:
Red player properly executes a throw-in.  Since it is all over the news, let's say a flip-throw that travels 40 yards in the air directly to Blue's keeper, who is a step off the goal line.  Ball enters the goal.

How is game restarted for each of these scenarios?

1.  Blue's keeper doesn't move.  Ball flies directly into the goal untouched.
2.  Blue's keeper tries to punch the ball out but misses.  Ball enters goal, again untouched.
3.  Blue's keeper touches the ball in an attempt to punch it over the bar, but the ball enters the goal anyway.  (as in viral McKinney Boyd v Wakeland video)


1-goal kick
2- goal kick
3-kick-off for opponant.

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Post by nearpost95 1/15/2015, 3:19 pm

Red player now throws the ball back towards his OWN goal and surprises his goalkeeper who is off his line and the ball has speed and direction to go into the goal.

Assuming the keeper is within his own penalty area, how is the game restarted for each of these scenarios?

1. red keeper allows the ball to roll into his own goal untouched
2. red keeper picks up the ball with his hands
3. red keeper dives for the ball and deflects it, with his hand, across the goal line but not into the goal.
4. red keeper touches the ball with his hands but the ball enters the goal

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Post by finish1 1/21/2015, 1:24 pm

Ponder this scenario:

A defender on the Red team heads the ball back to their Keeper, who takes possession of the ball with his hands while in the goal area to prevent opponents from challenging the ball.

The ref stops play. What is the correct restart?
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Post by nearpost95 1/21/2015, 4:55 pm

drop ball, at the top of the goal area, because the referee mistakenly stopped play

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