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The next "Messi" in the making?
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The next "Messi" in the making?
This little kid is incredible...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5gDuRHEY6Xs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5gDuRHEY6Xs
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
not bad and the video game mario bros music is classic! lol!
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
Good skill, but the little tyke hasn't figured out how to pass much yet, has he? Teammates might as well just go off the pitch and have a seat...
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
passing? why would a coach take the drive out of him by making him pass? I think making him pass will eventually remove his confidence of taking someone on 1v1 or in this case 1v4. Dont pass the ball lil fella, you keep doing what your doing. The other parents need to practice with their child more instead of depending on the coach to be a miracle worker when practice is only twice a week. We need more kids like this!
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
t5house wrote:passing? why would a coach take the drive out of him by making him pass? I think making him pass will eventually remove his confidence of taking someone on 1v1 or in this case 1v4. Dont pass the ball lil fella, you keep doing what your doing. The other parents need to practice with their child more instead of depending on the coach to be a miracle worker when practice is only twice a week. We need more kids like this!
right..because we see pro players drible through 10 players on the field and score on a daily basis. Reminder, soccer/futbol/football is a team sport. Let them dribble is complete BS.
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
this child is dribbling in tight spaces which is what most kids are lacking. Pro players do dribble in tight spaces and have the confidence to do so. You ever seen a team pass to a player and he/she didnt know what to do with it? Thats because they are not comfortable with handling the ball!
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
Little tyke is what, 4 or 5? Our team was lucky to have kids going the right way at that age. All the kids running like cattle after the ball. Don't know what the futility in passing is when the whole team is still playing bunch ball. They're still being cute and having a lot of fun.off_the_woodwork wrote:Good skill, but the little tyke hasn't figured out how to pass much yet, has he? Teammates might as well just go off the pitch and have a seat...
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
for a second I thought I was watching the US v Argentina game. Saw messi dribble thru quite a few keystone cops. Nice skill but would never fly here. Some kid would come charging thru wild and completely out of control and smash him good. Of course no foul would be called
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
off_the_woodwork wrote:Good skill, but the little tyke hasn't figured out how to pass much yet, has he? Teammates might as well just go off the pitch and have a seat...
Children are ego-centric until about age 8 or 9. Let them dribble and use their skills. Teaching this kid how to pass would be a disservice to him. Psychologically he should be taught everything BUT how to pass, his world revolves around him, as it does for each child on that field, makes no sense to try to explain something they can't understand. When he gets older he will figure it out as teams become more organized. He dribbles and his head is up, as you can see when he is setting up defenders so he can go around them. I see where you're going with the "pass" comment but no, let him keep dribbling.
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Dribble! Dribble!
I concur with snow, let him dribble. When the time comes when he can no longer shred defenders, HE will learn that sometimes passing is the best option. Until that time let him develop!
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
go99 wrote:for a second I thought I was watching the US v Argentina game. Saw messi dribble thru quite a few keystone cops. Nice skill but would never fly here. Some kid would come charging thru wild and completely out of control and smash him good. Of course no foul would be called
Not only that here in NTX, the oppossing teams' parents would come on here saying how they saw the boy drive up in his own car and how easy it is in those countries to get a fake birth certificate because there's no way how he could be better or bigger than their own kids.
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
hookem wrote:t5house wrote:passing? why would a coach take the drive out of him by making him pass? I think making him pass will eventually remove his confidence of taking someone on 1v1 or in this case 1v4. Dont pass the ball lil fella, you keep doing what your doing. The other parents need to practice with their child more instead of depending on the coach to be a miracle worker when practice is only twice a week. We need more kids like this!
right..because we see pro players drible through 10 players on the field and score on a daily basis. Reminder, soccer/futbol/football is a team sport. Let them dribble is complete BS.
Yeah, I never see professional players dribble through a bunch of other players . . .
Clearly you are not watching enough soccer on television. It happens weekly, game in and game out. I could provide 1000 examples but I'll just give you the best and you can look up the rest on YouTube for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0HzTs2_4Y&feature=related
That's a ridiculous statement. And, even more ridiculous to make about a 5 year old kid.
That mentality is what is wrong with US soccer. Watch La Liga or Seria A or EPL. Sure, those guys complete thousands of passes but they are able to do that for two reasons (1) the defenders are not playing them too tight because they know they will get beat on the dribble and (2) they use individual ball control skills to create space to make their passes. If the defender isn't afraid of being beat, he can stick to his man like glue making defending much easier.
We need more of this and less "pass, pass, pass" in youth soccer. Those things come with age and time and maturity. I want a kid that can beat his man and then beat the next man too. Those kids create numbers on offense, numbers on offense opens gaps for shots and passes and open gaps for shots and passes result in goals for my team. We have kids that are scared to hang on to the ball for longer than 4 seconds because all they hear from coaches and parents is "pass it!! pass it!! pass it!!" They end up frightened to play much more than two touch. It is not the way the game should be played successfully.
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HaHa!
indyfc wrote:go99 wrote:for a second I thought I was watching the US v Argentina game. Saw messi dribble thru quite a few keystone cops. Nice skill but would never fly here. Some kid would come charging thru wild and completely out of control and smash him good. Of course no foul would be called
Not only that here in NTX, the oppossing teams' parents would come on here saying how they saw the boy drive up in his own car and how easy it is in those countries to get a fake birth certificate because there's no way how he could be better or bigger than their own kids.
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
Good coaches rarely yell at a kid to pass, yet, almost all parents do (with the exception of the parents of the 'non-passer'). For every 50 times parents give the middie or fwd the 'give it up', a coach might do that once.
The kids will eventually figure it out - coaches want kids with creativity and those who want the ball and want to do something with the ball. At younger ages it is very rare for decent coaches to want an offensive player with superior tactical prowess rather than raw creativity. It's a different deal for defenders - where tactics generally rule the roost. Skills are across the board important and usually standout for anyone watching a game.
I've heard this from several and asked this of many coaches and, other than rec coaches, almost none have played the ballhog card, for that matter, most don't tell players when to shoot when they are under 12 - they want them to instinctually learn when to do these.
As my BB's coach has often stated 'I can teach you to do anything, but, I can not teach you when to do it - you need to learn that through playing'.
The kids will eventually figure it out - coaches want kids with creativity and those who want the ball and want to do something with the ball. At younger ages it is very rare for decent coaches to want an offensive player with superior tactical prowess rather than raw creativity. It's a different deal for defenders - where tactics generally rule the roost. Skills are across the board important and usually standout for anyone watching a game.
I've heard this from several and asked this of many coaches and, other than rec coaches, almost none have played the ballhog card, for that matter, most don't tell players when to shoot when they are under 12 - they want them to instinctually learn when to do these.
As my BB's coach has often stated 'I can teach you to do anything, but, I can not teach you when to do it - you need to learn that through playing'.
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
OK, while I agree the kid shouldn't be expected to pass to anyone at that age, I also think he belongs in a different league. Clearly the kids on his team will never get any touches as long as he is around. So is it best to leave your BB on a team like this one where he can witness a great player but never get to touch the ball himself in a game? Or is it better to get the touches himself? I know what I think.
Oh, and just like there is the occasional 6 or 7 year-old phenom like this with mad dribbling skills that can keep the ball away from other 6 and 7 year olds, there are also 6 - 7 year olds who do see the field and know how to pass. Neither is very common.
Oh, and just like there is the occasional 6 or 7 year-old phenom like this with mad dribbling skills that can keep the ball away from other 6 and 7 year olds, there are also 6 - 7 year olds who do see the field and know how to pass. Neither is very common.
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Great skill and field vision. Good to see that people in other countries understand development. I haven't seen one kid here in Texas that has that kind of potential, which is truly sad. All these great athletes going to waste. Japan is ranked higher than US. WOW I hope this kid keeps up the good work and doesn't allow people to tell him to Pass, Pass. He will have to learn to
"LET THE HATERS BE YOUR MOTIVATORS".
I'm waking up my kids right now so they can work on their foot skills. LOL
"LET THE HATERS BE YOUR MOTIVATORS".
I'm waking up my kids right now so they can work on their foot skills. LOL
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
That was pure beauty to watch. Agree with the posters in here stating let him dribble, he is 5 or 6 psychology of team is just not there at this age. In time he will find the need to pass but not until there is a need. Take them on until they can stop you. Confidence like that on the ball is what every coach is searching for. Once his pyschology changees with age the other parts of the game can be introduced.
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off_the_woodwork wrote:OK, while I agree the kid shouldn't be expected to pass to anyone at that age, I also think he belongs in a different league. Clearly the kids on his team will never get any touches as long as he is around. So is it best to leave your BB on a team like this one where he can witness a great player but never get to touch the ball himself in a game? Or is it better to get the touches himself? I know what I think.
Oh, and just like there is the occasional 6 or 7 year-old phenom like this with mad dribbling skills that can keep the ball away from other 6 and 7 year olds, there are also 6 - 7 year olds who do see the field and know how to pass. Neither is very common.
That's the bad part of the situation. If you are the teammate of such a player, you definitely get the short end of the stick. I've been on the opposite side of that (my kid is the one scoring all the goals in hoops and soccer) and it's not a great deal either (embarrassing) - but, at these ages, you really have very little control of that situation.
In theory, a kid will learn new moves and possibilities if a teammate pushes the envelope....or, will quit in frustration. There is no way to tell as one can't see what's inside a kid at those ages until the situation presents itself. You will never have a youth team where everyone gets equal touches so, when they are youngest, it's best to hope they attack the ball individually (and, hopefully, you have a lot of kids that like to do that). Most academy teams have a lot of trouble threading more than 3 passes, so, it's extremely difficult to expect them to do it outside of practice - although, I have noticed, every year, there are more and more teams that can truly move the ball and it's pretty to watch.
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
I think his dribbling is so good, it just kind of mesmerizes the other kids . They just kind of watch him. In a few years as GO said they will quit watching and begin to really steal the ball . Tackling , trapping , team defense. Remember the guy that could seal dribble down the field?? don't hear much of him cause he most likely got tired of taking forarms to the jaw..
Agree the kid is really talented and uses an array of different touches thats what is surprising.
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AND! wrote:Great skill and field vision. Good to see that people in other countries understand development. I haven't seen one kid here in Texas that has that kind of potential, which is truly sad. All these great athletes going to waste. Japan is ranked higher than US. WOW I hope this kid keeps up the good work and doesn't allow people to tell him to Pass, Pass. He will have to learn to
"LET THE HATERS BE YOUR MOTIVATORS".
I'm waking up my kids right now so they can work on their foot skills. LOL
so, if you are one of the other kids on the team why even play. They should just sit and watch the little 'messi' do it all by himself. He can be the offense, defense, goalie and he can pass to himself with his awesome foot skkill. Remember, the ball is faster than the player..right? Soccer is a team game..right? Please..as stated, let them dribble is complete horse crap. Let them dribble at the house, but when they are on the field play as a team.
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
I decided to show the video to my 8 year old son and my 10 year old daughter both pretty good players on their recepective teams. The amount of "oh my goshes" and "reallys" that came through it was neat to see. My daughter is a stricker and my son is a midfielder. One of the children made the comment at the end of the video. Great player but he never passes. The other tried to do the same in today's game and didn't see the need to past. Can you guess which one?
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Nice highlight reel. Besides passing, one other thing I didn't see the little tyke do on there was strike the ball. Was there a non-striking rule?
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hookem wrote:AND! wrote:Great skill and field vision. Good to see that people in other countries understand development. I haven't seen one kid here in Texas that has that kind of potential, which is truly sad. All these great athletes going to waste. Japan is ranked higher than US. WOW I hope this kid keeps up the good work and doesn't allow people to tell him to Pass, Pass. He will have to learn to
"LET THE HATERS BE YOUR MOTIVATORS".
I'm waking up my kids right now so they can work on their foot skills. LOL
so, if you are one of the other kids on the team why even play. They should just sit and watch the little 'messi' do it all by himself. He can be the offense, defense, goalie and he can pass to himself with his awesome foot skkill. Remember, the ball is faster than the player..right? Soccer is a team game..right? Please..as stated, let them dribble is complete horse crap. Let them dribble at the house, but when they are on the field play as a team.
I see you picked my response out of them all. Great.
You seem to be a little stressed about some people feeling that this kid is good. Keep hating on skills, because that will just mean there will be one or more kids not at the tryouts that my kids will be at. Your "skill-free" kids will be watching the game in the stands with you. Next time your kids come off the field ask them how many homeruns they kicked in their kickball game. LOL
To all people that believe that "Let Them Dribble" type thinking is CRAP, your right.
Please stop your kids from dribbling so he can pass it to my kid. LOL You need to go on the internet and read the article called "Don't Let Them Dribble", it was posted two weeks ago. Great article about the importance of only allowing one and two touch passing from age 3 to 14, and how that is the perfect way to develop great soccer players.
Let the Haters Be Your Motivators
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If you want to know who the True Haters are, just listen to a youth game for someone yelling "PASS IT, PASS IT". Jackpot
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plantit wrote:
I think his dribbling is so good, it just kind of mesmerizes the other kids . They just kind of watch him. In a few years as GO said they will quit watching and begin to really steal the ball . Tackling , trapping , team defense. Remember the guy that could seal dribble down the field?? don't hear much of him cause he most likely got tired of taking forarms to the jaw..
Agree the kid is really talented and uses an array of different touches thats what is surprising.
Actually Kerlon (the seal dribble) went to Europe and has struggles because of knee injuries taking time. No one figured out how to stop the seal dribble without fouling him and that "was" the point. He was a free kick specialist so anytime he got the ball inside his range he would start the seal dribble to bait the meatheads into fouling him so he could take a free kick and score.
The kid in the video is fine. It's an edit taken out of context to highlight his skill. When the ball goes other places the other kids have it instead of him and for all we know he may not even be the best one. You don't see him pass because no one goes "oooo did you see him pass that with the side of his foot?" edited out. Same for the shooting, not curling it into the upper 90 so boring. People here get so upset here to see a kid dribble and show some skill. Mindboggling. Everyone knows that stuff is just show. The team is what matters and just keep 1 and 2 touch kicking er passing it. That's the stuff that works and it's worked great so far.
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Re: The next "Messi" in the making?
Terrific dribbling chops. I'm definitely in the "let them dribble" camp.
Only nitpick I have is that he has the ball underfoot quite a bit. Maybe destined to be a futsal player. You don't see many pros whos mainstay moves use the sole of the foot. But maybe he can make it work.
Only nitpick I have is that he has the ball underfoot quite a bit. Maybe destined to be a futsal player. You don't see many pros whos mainstay moves use the sole of the foot. But maybe he can make it work.
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