Greatest of All Time

If you ever have some time to spare, I would highly recommend this documentary. What an amazing talent and he is only getting better.

Greatest of All Time

Just unreal

soccershins wrote:If you ever have some time to spare, I would highly recommend this documentary. What an amazing talent and he is only getting better.

Greatest of All Time

Just unreal

Thanks for sharing!

CincoB wrote:

soccershins wrote:If you ever have some time to spare, I would highly recommend this documentary. What an amazing talent and he is only getting better.

Greatest of All Time

Just unreal

Thanks for sharing!

Ditto...

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...and America may never develop one like him. He would have been dismissed as too small a long time ago.

I am a huge Messi fan, but I think we often label someone the greatest too early in their career. Now, he definitely has the tools to be the greatest and he is the best player in the world right now, but lets give 6 or 7 more years before we crown him the best of all time.

agree totally with the last 2 post. Ronaldinho at his peak was individually a better player and earmarked to be the greatest of all time. Lack of work ethic took that from him. Ronaldo was the greatest ever until injuries and lack of work ethic took it from him.

Agreed…
It’s too early to call him “The Greatest Ever”, but as of right now (up to the last game he played) he is “Da “…

finish1 wrote:...and America may never develop one like him. He would have been dismissed as too small a long time ago.

Dude- have you seen him video clips of him when he was 5-10 years old, he just looks like an older version today. No one would have passed on him based on those videos- he was scoring and passing light years above everyone else at those young ages. I get your point, but even the big, athletic teams in North Texas aren't that stupid.

Yes, dude, he would have been passed over, not only in NTX, but on the USMNT. The problem is that we use a very direct style of play in this country. Less technical, and more physical. We look for the biggest, fastest players possible and and run them straight at the net. For a technically gifted player like Messi, you have to build a system around him. He doesn't plug into our formula of play, so no, he would have had no chance to develop in the US. Especially as a striker.

finish1 wrote:Yes, dude, he would have been passed over, not only in NTX, but on the USMNT. The problem is that we use a very direct style of play in this country. Less technical, and more physical. We look for the biggest, fastest players possible and and run them straight at the net. For a technically gifted player like Messi, you have to build a system around him. He doesn't plug into our formula of play, so no, he would have had no chance to develop in the US. Especially as a striker.

We will just have to disagree- Messi is not just technically gifted, he is a great athlete- speed, vision, acceleration, all he lacks is heighth.

stangs wrote:

finish1 wrote:Yes, dude, he would have been passed over, not only in NTX, but on the USMNT. The problem is that we use a very direct style of play in this country. Less technical, and more physical. We look for the biggest, fastest players possible and and run them straight at the net. For a technically gifted player like Messi, you have to build a system around him. He doesn't plug into our formula of play, so no, he would have had no chance to develop in the US. Especially as a striker.

We will just have to disagree- Messi is not just technically gifted, he is a great athlete- speed, vision, acceleration, all he lacks is heighth.

really? do you have an inside scoop or just a huge fan?

stangs wrote:

finish1 wrote:Yes, dude, he would have been passed over, not only in NTX, but on the USMNT. The problem is that we use a very direct style of play in this country. Less technical, and more physical. We look for the biggest, fastest players possible and and run them straight at the net. For a technically gifted player like Messi, you have to build a system around him. He doesn't plug into our formula of play, so no, he would have had no chance to develop in the US. Especially as a striker.

We will just have to disagree- Messi is not just technically gifted, he is a great athlete- speed, vision, acceleration, all he lacks is heighth.

Actually you would be in disagreement with the people from barca too. When he cam there they said he wouldn't pass, just beat defender after defender until he lost the ball. He was already past 10 then. Small and no passing? yep done here. Besides the kids here would have just not tried to defend the ball and just smashed him and ran him over because we allow that here if not encourage it. Check with the parents of smaller kids and ask how often their kid just gets smashed with no play on the ball. Ball fakes only work on kids who actually go for the ball

go99 wrote:

stangs wrote:

finish1 wrote:Yes, dude, he would have been passed over, not only in NTX, but on the USMNT. The problem is that we use a very direct style of play in this country. Less technical, and more physical. We look for the biggest, fastest players possible and and run them straight at the net. For a technically gifted player like Messi, you have to build a system around him. He doesn't plug into our formula of play, so no, he would have had no chance to develop in the US. Especially as a striker.

We will just have to disagree- Messi is not just technically gifted, he is a great athlete- speed, vision, acceleration, all he lacks is heighth.

Actually you would be in disagreement with the people from barca too. When he cam there they said he wouldn't pass, just beat defender after defender until he lost the ball. He was already past 10 then. Small and no passing? yep done here. Besides the kids here would have just not tried to defend the ball and just smashed him and ran him over because we allow that here if not encourage it. Check with the parents of smaller kids and ask how often their kid just gets smashed with no play on the ball. Ball fakes only work on kids who actually go for the ball

Not only small kids but kids that have the ball at their feet. He might have grown discourage and quit if he was playing here from getting taken out game after game without any calls or coaches that would discourage it, most would have encourage it because it would have improved their wins and made the parents happy.

go99 wrote:agree totally with the last 2 post. Ronaldinho at his peak was individually a better player and earmarked to be the greatest of all time. Lack of work ethic took that from him. Ronaldo was the greatest ever until injuries and lack of work ethic took it from him.

Ronaldo can be considered the best of all times because he was a "highlight film" in league play AND in the world cup. Messi cannot be the best of all time until he gives "highlight film" performances in World Cup play Multiple times. How many goals did he score playing as a striker in the World Cup? Even Landon Donavan has 5. Messi is a work in progress.
Its going to be very hard for Messi to surpass Ronaldo with 15 goals in 3 world cups, and FIFA player of the year a 20. And so on. He even has to score more than 34 goals in one year at Barca.

AND! wrote:

go99 wrote:agree totally with the last 2 post. Ronaldinho at his peak was individually a better player and earmarked to be the greatest of all time. Lack of work ethic took that from him. Ronaldo was the greatest ever until injuries and lack of work ethic took it from him.

Ronaldo can be considered the best of all times because he was a "highlight film" in league play AND in the world cup. Messi cannot be the best of all time until he gives "highlight film" performances in World Cup play Multiple times. How many goals did he score playing as a striker in the World Cup? Even Landon Donavan has 5. Messi is a work in progress.
Its going to be very hard for Messi to surpass Ronaldo with 15 goals in 3 world cups, and FIFA player of the year a 20. And so on. He even has to score more than 34 goals in one year at Barca.

Ronaldo- probably one of the best power forwards ever…
Ronaldinho- probably one of the best technically gifted players ever…
Messi-…………


The Best Ever is probably some kid kicking the ball somewhere in South America right now… YES they do grow them on trees down there …

Many pints of beer been spilled during discussions of “Who’s The Greatest EVER”, and many more will… Only the Game will tell… Greatest to you may not be the Greatest to me…
It’s too early to tell about Messi, still young, still (I/we hope) improving… The question I have is this: “Does The GREAT Ever needs to have a great World Cup to be even considered to be T.G.E…?”
I’m not an Argentina fan, but in the last World Cup I wanted Messi to do good... I think it was the system that Argentinian team played; it was not for Messi….
I would like all of you to think about one thing, just for a second (no more then that}, can you imagine last World Cup Spanish team with Messi on it? ………

vman wrote:

AND! wrote:

go99 wrote:agree totally with the last 2 post. Ronaldinho at his peak was individually a better player and earmarked to be the greatest of all time. Lack of work ethic took that from him. Ronaldo was the greatest ever until injuries and lack of work ethic took it from him.

Ronaldo can be considered the best of all times because he was a "highlight film" in league play AND in the world cup. Messi cannot be the best of all time until he gives "highlight film" performances in World Cup play Multiple times. How many goals did he score playing as a striker in the World Cup? Even Landon Donavan has 5. Messi is a work in progress.
Its going to be very hard for Messi to surpass Ronaldo with 15 goals in 3 world cups, and FIFA player of the year a 20. And so on. He even has to score more than 34 goals in one year at Barca.

Ronaldo- probably one of the best power forwards ever…
Ronaldinho- probably one of the best technically gifted players ever…
Messi-…………


The Best Ever is probably some kid kicking the ball somewhere in South America right now… YES they do grow them on trees down there …

Many pints of beer been spilled during discussions of “Who’s The Greatest EVER”, and many more will… Only the Game will tell… Greatest to you may not be the Greatest to me…
It’s too early to tell about Messi, still young, still (I/we hope) improving… The question I have is this: “Does The GREAT Ever needs to have a great World Cup to be even considered to be T.G.E…?”
I’m not an Argentina fan, but in the last World Cup I wanted Messi to do good... I think it was the system that Argentinian team played; it was not for Messi….
I would like all of you to think about one thing, just for a second (no more then that}, can you imagine last World Cup Spanish team with Messi on it? ………

well with that being said should a "great" player be able to play with any style and still do "great" things?

and with that being said i still think ronaldinho is the best ever

With that said I agree to disagree, but in 2006 World Cup, Rinaldinho (who was still @ the top of the game) was not even a factor on Brazil National Team…

Now I’m not arguing your “and with that being said i still think ronaldinho is the best ever “
He’s in my top 3, and anyone can mix and match ….

Cruyff is #1 for me…

vman wrote:
With that said I agree to disagree, but in 2006 World Cup, Rinaldinho (who was still @ the top of the game) was not even a factor on Brazil National Team…

Now I’m not arguing your “and with that being said i still think ronaldinho is the best ever “
He’s in my top 3, and anyone can mix and match ….

Cruyff is #1 for me…

ok point taken so lets go ahead and include pele,maradona and zidane

omega striker wrote:

vman wrote:
With that said I agree to disagree, but in 2006 World Cup, Rinaldinho (who was still @ the top of the game) was not even a factor on Brazil National Team…

Now I’m not arguing your “and with that being said i still think ronaldinho is the best ever “
He’s in my top 3, and anyone can mix and match ….

Cruyff is #1 for me…

ok point taken so lets go ahead and include pele,maradona and zidane

Now you are talking

vman wrote:

omega striker wrote:

vman wrote:
With that said I agree to disagree, but in 2006 World Cup, Rinaldinho (who was still @ the top of the game) was not even a factor on Brazil National Team…

Now I’m not arguing your “and with that being said i still think ronaldinho is the best ever “
He’s in my top 3, and anyone can mix and match ….

Cruyff is #1 for me…

ok point taken so lets go ahead and include pele,maradona and zidane

Now you are talking

than Beckenbauer is in the list too. I think the greatest ever needs to be specific to an era. Soccer has changed so much.

The German wrote:

vman wrote:

omega striker wrote:

vman wrote:
With that said I agree to disagree, but in 2006 World Cup, Rinaldinho (who was still @ the top of the game) was not even a factor on Brazil National Team…

Now I’m not arguing your “and with that being said i still think ronaldinho is the best ever “
He’s in my top 3, and anyone can mix and match ….

Cruyff is #1 for me…

ok point taken so lets go ahead and include pele,maradona and zidane

Now you are talking

than Beckenbauer is in the list too. I think the greatest ever needs to be specific to an era. Soccer has changed so much.

we(on this site of experts)could break it down to defenders(including keepers),mids and strikers and then the all around greatest a player who was a playmaker,scorer,leader and just made a difference on whatever team he played for whenever he hit the pitch!

omega striker wrote:

The German wrote:

vman wrote:

omega striker wrote:

vman wrote:
With that said I agree to disagree, but in 2006 World Cup, Rinaldinho (who was still @ the top of the game) was not even a factor on Brazil National Team…

Now I’m not arguing your “and with that being said i still think ronaldinho is the best ever “
He’s in my top 3, and anyone can mix and match ….

Cruyff is #1 for me…

ok point taken so lets go ahead and include pele,maradona and zidane

Now you are talking

than Beckenbauer is in the list too. I think the greatest ever needs to be specific to an era. Soccer has changed so much.

we(on this site of experts)could break it down to defenders(including keepers),mids and strikers and then the all around greatest a player who was a playmaker,scorer,leader and just made a difference on whatever team he played for whenever he hit the pitch!

The German--- all professional defenders should have “6” tattooed over their hearts. Hail Der Kaiser !!!

Omega Striker--- how do you want to do it: 11 + 4 subs, or ?5 in each position?