DTFF 97B scores

TFC Blue 2
Texans PreAcademy 2

soccermom97b wrote:TFC Blue 2
Texans PreAcademy 2

Good result against the #3 seed...Good thing they moved you into the right bracket! (Hassan may disagree)

love_your_refs wrote:

soccermom97b wrote:TFC Blue 2
Texans PreAcademy 2

Good result against the #3 seed...Good thing they moved you into the right bracket! (Hassan may disagree)

Was a great game...we were up 2-0 but let 2 in. Very fast paced game...lots of fun!

So that would be the TFC 97 team playing against the Texans 98 PreAcademy team. Yes? Academy and PreAcademy teams are age pure so they have to play up in age.

They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

TxHunter wrote:They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

FC Dallas won in pk

soccergrinder wrote:So that would be the TFC 97 team playing against the Texans 98 PreAcademy team. Yes? Academy and PreAcademy teams are age pure so they have to play up in age.

No. TFC 97 played against 97 PA teams.

The 'playing up' thing is skewed a little bit. The majority of 'impact' 97PA players are generally early 97's. If they were born before Aug 1 of 97, they would be U16 club players.

So, in most cases (not all) 97 pa players are only 'playing up' against Aug-Dec 96 born players.

So there's about a 5 month 'gap'.

TxHunter wrote:They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

Sorry. Didn't make myself clear. The Texans team would be made up of players with 98 and 97 birth dates (no 96's allowed). The TFC team would be made up of players with 97 and 96 birth dates.

Whenever you have an Academy or PreAcademy team playing in a non Academy event they have to play up an age level. Or think of it this way. If the Texans hosted a PreAcademy tournament and allowed non academy teams to play, like the TFC 97 team, the Texans team would play in the 97 bracket and the TFC 97 team would have to play up in the 96 bracket because they have 96 birth date players on their team.

So in reality, they are playing the same guys that they were playing before there was a PA...except for a few youngers that might be on a PA team that were born Sept-Dec?

So, no PA, doesn't really play up....

soccergrinder wrote:

TxHunter wrote:They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

Sorry. Didn't make myself clear. The Texans team would be made up of players with 98 and 97 birth dates (no 96's allowed). The TFC team would be made up of players with 97 and 96 birth dates.

Whenever you have an Academy or PreAcademy team playing in a non Academy event they have to play up an age level. Or think of it this way. If the Texans hosted a PreAcademy tournament and allowed non academy teams to play, like the TFC 97 team, the Texans team would play in the 97 bracket and the TFC 97 team would have to play up in the 96 bracket because they have 96 birth date players on their team.

I really don't know why PA/DA age groups are set up along calendar years lines. Other than another way to differentiate from the 'club' teams.

other than ODP/national team rosters (because of international rules) are set up this way.

Academy teams in England (as well as other countries) are set up along school year ages. I believe England's youth clubs run a September thru August format.

That said, however it is divided up, the players born at the latter end of the age group are at a disadvantage. Ex: You rarely see youth national teams with players born in December. it happens but it is very rare.

So with traditional club teams the players with August/September birthdays (all things equal) have a physical advantage over the kids with June and July birthdays.

Again, there are exceptions, but with PA/DA teams, the majority of the impact/key players are generally going to be born the first 3-4 months of the year.

January is the best of both worlds. (club/ODP and PA/DA)

Like I said, the difference between a U15 PA (97) team and a U16 club team is a 5 month overlap.

Not the 12 months difference between say a U15 club team playing in a U16 club bracket.

soccergrinder wrote:

TxHunter wrote:They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

Sorry. Didn't make myself clear. The Texans team would be made up of players with 98 and 97 birth dates (no 96's allowed). The TFC team would be made up of players with 97 and 96 birth dates.

Whenever you have an Academy or PreAcademy team playing in a non Academy event they have to play up an age level. Or think of it this way. If the Texans hosted a PreAcademy tournament and allowed non academy teams to play, like the TFC 97 team, the Texans team would play in the 97 bracket and the TFC 97 team would have to play up in the 96 bracket because they have 96 birth date players on their team.

No not exactly - the 97 PA teams are 97 Birth year players - young U16's and Old U15's if you will. The 98 ages play with the 98 age group in 99% of the cases. TFC U16 played with 97's and 96's against a team of 97 birth years for the PA's. Yes they played up, but it was only by 4 to 6 months, not 18month to 2 years as I believe you are thinking.

TxHunter wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

TxHunter wrote:They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

Sorry. Didn't make myself clear. The Texans team would be made up of players with 98 and 97 birth dates (no 96's allowed). The TFC team would be made up of players with 97 and 96 birth dates.

Whenever you have an Academy or PreAcademy team playing in a non Academy event they have to play up an age level. Or think of it this way. If the Texans hosted a PreAcademy tournament and allowed non academy teams to play, like the TFC 97 team, the Texans team would play in the 97 bracket and the TFC 97 team would have to play up in the 96 bracket because they have 96 birth date players on their team.

No not exactly - the 97 PA teams are 97 Birth year players - young U16's and Old U15's if you will. The 98 ages play with the 98 age group in 99% of the cases. TFC U16 played with 97's and 96's against a team of 97 birth years for the PA's. Yes they played up, but it was only by 4 to 6 months, not 18month to 2 years as I believe you are thinking.

No. Exactly. The point being the two teams age wise could be drastically different. A typical North Texas so called 97 team could be made up of 90% 96 birth year players with a few actual 97's. My older sons Solar 94 team was this way. It was made up of mostly 93 birth year players with a few 94's. When this team went academy then they automatically became a 93 team. They added three players from a Solar 93 team. So the team was made up of 94 and 93's. So they were playing in a 93 age bracket when playing in tournaments. The non-academy teams they were playing in Disney were 90% 92 birth year players with a few 93 birth year players. So a team of 94's and 93's (academy) playing against a team of 92's and 93's (non-academy).

soccergrinder wrote:

TxHunter wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

TxHunter wrote:They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

Sorry. Didn't make myself clear. The Texans team would be made up of players with 98 and 97 birth dates (no 96's allowed). The TFC team would be made up of players with 97 and 96 birth dates.

Whenever you have an Academy or PreAcademy team playing in a non Academy event they have to play up an age level. Or think of it this way. If the Texans hosted a PreAcademy tournament and allowed non academy teams to play, like the TFC 97 team, the Texans team would play in the 97 bracket and the TFC 97 team would have to play up in the 96 bracket because they have 96 birth date players on their team.

No not exactly - the 97 PA teams are 97 Birth year players - young U16's and Old U15's if you will. The 98 ages play with the 98 age group in 99% of the cases. TFC U16 played with 97's and 96's against a team of 97 birth years for the PA's. Yes they played up, but it was only by 4 to 6 months, not 18month to 2 years as I believe you are thinking.

No. Exactly. The point being the two teams age wise could be drastically different. A typical North Texas so called 97 team could be made up of 90% 96 birth year players with a few actual 97's. My older sons Solar 94 team was this way. It was made up of mostly 93 birth year players with a few 94's. When this team went academy then they automatically became a 93 team. They added three players from a Solar 93 team. So the team was made up of 94 and 93's. So they were playing in a 93 age bracket when playing in tournaments. The non-academy teams they were playing in Disney were 90% 92 birth year players with a few 93 birth year players. So a team of 94's and 93's (academy) playing against a team of 92's and 93's (non-academy).

In looking at my 20 man roster, I have 15 1997 birthdays, 5 1996 birthdays.

Nonetheless - it was a great game against a team that ended up in the Championship game. The point wasn't to say woo hoo we tied a pre-academy team. The point was to post scores like normally happens either after a league game or some tournaments.

Whether they were the same age as the rest of us or younger - look at the standings...all 3 PA teams that played in the 97 bracket ended up winning their bracket and in the semi's...along with 1st place D1.

soccergrinder wrote:

TxHunter wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

TxHunter wrote:They played against the 97 Texans PreAcademy team not the 98's.

97's PA played U16
98's PA played U15
99's PA played U14

Anyone know the outcome of the Texans 97 PA vs FCD 97 PA final?

Sorry. Didn't make myself clear. The Texans team would be made up of players with 98 and 97 birth dates (no 96's allowed). The TFC team would be made up of players with 97 and 96 birth dates.

Whenever you have an Academy or PreAcademy team playing in a non Academy event they have to play up an age level. Or think of it this way. If the Texans hosted a PreAcademy tournament and allowed non academy teams to play, like the TFC 97 team, the Texans team would play in the 97 bracket and the TFC 97 team would have to play up in the 96 bracket because they have 96 birth date players on their team.

No not exactly - the 97 PA teams are 97 Birth year players - young U16's and Old U15's if you will. The 98 ages play with the 98 age group in 99% of the cases. TFC U16 played with 97's and 96's against a team of 97 birth years for the PA's. Yes they played up, but it was only by 4 to 6 months, not 18month to 2 years as I believe you are thinking.

No. Exactly. The point being the two teams age wise could be drastically different. A typical North Texas so called 97 team could be made up of 90% 96 birth year players with a few actual 97's. My older sons Solar 94 team was this way. It was made up of mostly 93 birth year players with a few 94's. When this team went academy then they automatically became a 93 team. They added three players from a Solar 93 team. So the team was made up of 94 and 93's. So they were playing in a 93 age bracket when playing in tournaments. The non-academy teams they were playing in Disney were 90% 92 birth year players with a few 93 birth year players. So a team of 94's and 93's (academy) playing against a team of 92's and 93's (non-academy).

grinder, I see the point you are making. And the majority of top d1 cl teams probably do have a majority of 'older' 96 born (Aug-Dec) players. In fact, that's often the difference between d1 teams and lower divisions...ie physical maturation.

Still, there's only a total 5 month gap between a 97 (u16) club team and a u15 97 PA team.

So, looking at it in the proper context...TFC performed exceptionally well.

I heard though that the FC Dallas team that won the tournament brought 96 birth year players that are eligible to play 97. Does anyone know this is true.

I know they did the same thing in one of the other lower age groups.

yeah FCD stacked the pre academy teams. I would say it doesn't matter but the CL teams have a limit to the number of "guest" players they could at to their NTX roster. The pre academy teams faced no such limit. I am hearing numbers like 50% on the FCD team. Normally I would say who cares and suck it up but since my team had to play them and looks like again in the Bobby Rhine, something need to be done about that 98 pre academy teamy. This is an outrage, a travesty, a miscarriage of justice. As punishment they should be forced to bring up half of the 99 team for at least 1 game.

go99 wrote:yeah FCD stacked the pre academy teams. I would say it doesn't matter but the CL teams have a limit to the number of "guest" players they could at to their NTX roster. The pre academy teams faced no such limit. I am hearing numbers like 50% on the FCD team. Normally I would say who cares and suck it up but since my team had to play them and looks like again in the Bobby Rhine, something need to be done about that 98 pre academy teamy. This is an outrage, a travesty, a miscarriage of justice. As punishment they should be forced to bring up half of the 99 team for at least 1 game.

arsenalfan wrote:

go99 wrote:yeah FCD stacked the pre academy teams. I would say it doesn't matter but the CL teams have a limit to the number of "guest" players they could at to their NTX roster. The pre academy teams faced no such limit. I am hearing numbers like 50% on the FCD team. Normally I would say who cares and suck it up but since my team had to play them and looks like again in the Bobby Rhine, something need to be done about that 98 pre academy teamy. This is an outrage, a travesty, a miscarriage of justice. As punishment they should be forced to bring up half of the 99 team for at least 1 game.

I was under the assumption they could only use there regularly rostered players for these qualifiers so for the U16's that would mean Jan 97 to Dec 97 (for the PA's) is that not the case.

Re ETX: Im not sure how many late 96's we have on our roster (I think 2 or 3) but I know we have at least one true 98 and a late 97 (98 club)most of them are 97 birth year. I wonder if the unfamiliar team chemistry of the newer add on's is counteracted by their slight age advantage?

Yes. That is what everyone assumed going into the tournament. Both solar and texans played some true 98s in the tourney. I heard that the Texans even played a kid that was a 99 classic player But don't be fooled when Dallas Cup spots are at risk, FC Dallas wanted to do whatever they could to get the spots. It's just sad that in Dallas cup they will be forced to play their REAL players since all their teams will make it. But then again they will be playing in the tournament.

FYI

Texans had 4 98 birth year players during that tournament!

go99 wrote:yeah FCD stacked the pre academy teams. I would say it doesn't matter but the CL teams have a limit to the number of "guest" players they could at to their NTX roster. The pre academy teams faced no such limit. I am hearing numbers like 50% on the FCD team. Normally I would say who cares and suck it up but since my team had to play them and looks like again in the Bobby Rhine, something need to be done about that 98 pre academy teamy. This is an outrage, a travesty, a miscarriage of justice. As punishment they should be forced to bring up half of the 99 team for at least 1 game.

Then they may have something to worry about considering the 97's barely nipped a div 1 team in the semi's and had to go to PK"s in the finals . The 99's dropped alot of 98's and still didn't qualify . Makes one wonder if all the out of town travel / expense is worth it .

I'm curious to see how much crossover there is between the top CL teams and the PA's.

How many of these PA players also play (dual rostered)for the top CL teams.

It may not be talked about but I have to think it does happen.

Laimport wrote:I'm curious to see how much crossover there is between the top CL teams and the PA's.

How many of these PA players also play (dual rostered)for the top CL teams.

It may not be talked about but I have to think it does happen.

HN's definitely not shy about it...told our coach during the game to give him a call if any of our boys wanted to play PA.

soccermom97b wrote:

Laimport wrote:I'm curious to see how much crossover there is between the top CL teams and the PA's.

How many of these PA players also play (dual rostered)for the top CL teams.

It may not be talked about but I have to think it does happen.

HN's definitely not shy about it...told our coach during the game to give him a call if any of our boys wanted to play PA.

I would not put it past HN but how could you have dual rostered players from 2 different clubs. If true he was not trying to dual roster he was trying to take.

BTW great showing last weekend.

True10 wrote:

soccermom97b wrote:

Laimport wrote:I'm curious to see how much crossover there is between the top CL teams and the PA's.

How many of these PA players also play (dual rostered)for the top CL teams.

It may not be talked about but I have to think it does happen.

HN's definitely not shy about it...told our coach during the game to give him a call if any of our boys wanted to play PA.

I would not put it past HN but how could you have dual rostered players from 2 different clubs. If true he was not trying to dual roster he was trying to take.

BTW great showing last weekend.

Thanks...we were very proud of the way the boys played. We always seem to get stuck playing the same teams at every tournament...never seem to get put in the bracket with the stronger teams, etc. so we were glad to have a shot in the top bracket. Looking forward to the future for sure!