German teams in the Champions League

WOW!!!

Is there anything more to say about the beating they gave the Spanish teams?

There is some excellent geeky tactical reading here...

http://www.zonalmarking.net/

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Bayern Munich didn’t try to outpass Barcelona, and instead ruthlessly exposed their traditional weaknesses.

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arsenalfan wrote:WOW!!!

Is there anything more to say about the beating they gave the Spanish teams?

Nope.

forget the Tactics the "golden age" was started back as far as 01 with the changes in league structure and youth development. The US should take a peek and do something revolutionary "learn from others"

http://www.t0peducationsearch.com/articles/1589510-gotze-reus-are-just-the-start-how-german-football-produces-talent-without-end

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/soccer/world-cup-2010/writers/raphael_honigstein/07/01/germany.reinvention/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/04/germany-youth-development-england

BTW BB called the game 3-0 Dortmund days before the game. Gonna have to take him to vegas

The games Barcelona seems to have trouble against are against teams that have precision long crossing ability, or long passes up to strong wings. With Bayern, Robben on one wing, and Ribery on the other - they just picked their moments - passed to where Barcelona was weak (backside defending - or wings when Barca's FBs were pushed up into the attack - making for easy counter attacks), and then also beat them on corners. I was pretty impressed with how accurate and fast Bayern could make the long pass. Very aggressive, and very direct in their style of play - but most importantly, very precise in execution.

go99 wrote:forget the Tactics the "golden age" was started back as far as 01 with the changes in league structure and youth development. The US should take a peek and do something revolutionary "learn from others"

http://www.t0peducationsearch.com/articles/1589510-gotze-reus-are-just-the-start-how-german-football-produces-talent-without-end

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/soccer/world-cup-2010/writers/raphael_honigstein/07/01/germany.reinvention/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/04/germany-youth-development-england

BTW BB called the game 3-0 Dortmund days before the game. Gonna have to take him to vegas

It's not that easy to copy and change. The basic concept of soccer is different starting with the federation, the clubs, the set-up of the leagues, the scouting, the size of the country so on and on. We have to make changes here if we want to be successful, however it must be a model that suits the US because you can not take the German, Spanish or Italien concept and implemet it here. It needs to be US specific.

but you can use the lessons learned as a road map. But instead we head down paths that have already been proven to fail. As an example I just saw the list of kids called into a national team u14 camp. Where did they come from, how did they get selected, who knows about the process, why are they narrowing the pool so small at 14?

The German wrote:

go99 wrote:forget the Tactics the "golden age" was started back as far as 01 with the changes in league structure and youth development. The US should take a peek and do something revolutionary "learn from others"

http://www.t0peducationsearch.com/articles/1589510-gotze-reus-are-just-the-start-how-german-football-produces-talent-without-end

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/soccer/world-cup-2010/writers/raphael_honigstein/07/01/germany.reinvention/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/04/germany-youth-development-england

BTW BB called the game 3-0 Dortmund days before the game. Gonna have to take him to vegas

It's not that easy to copy and change. The basic concept of soccer is different starting with the federation, the clubs, the set-up of the leagues, the scouting, the size of the country so on and on. We have to make changes here if we want to be successful, however it must be a model that suits the US because you can not take the German, Spanish or Italien concept and implemet it here. It needs to be US specific.

Great point. Although I think if we were going to emulate another country...Germany is the logical choice. Germany's sporting culture is closer to our own...at least partly.

Germans are highly organized, disciplined both technically and tactically, and are very athletic. And physically aggressive.

That to me is more in line with the typical American sports psyche.

I find it ironic that the USSF 'mandates' certain developmental philosophies, and yet they don't enforce their own rules.

Results are secondary...yet they keep allowing more and more competitive venues and otherwise enable the clubs to overemphasize competition/results over development.

And frankly, I don't see why the majority of clubs can't adopt these 'best practices'. More training. Fewer meaningless games. Limited substitutions, etc. etc.

Of course with the clubs it is still all about the money.

Both games were dominated by the quick fast and very strong midfielders that the germans had on the field. They completed dominated the smaller weaker spaniards.

So maybe BSF is better as long as they are skilled players.

well the us seems to forget that skilled part

go99 wrote:well the us seems to forget that skilled part

Exactly. I mean, spending an hour a day banging a ball off a wall and developing control/first touch just isn't as sexy as playing video games while munching on a combo meal.

why bother doing it when the coach is asking you to run the ball down and smash you way to the goal

Forgot to mention body check. Very affective is you are BFS.

Real Barcelona wrote:Forgot to mention body check. Very affective is you are BFS.

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And hand balls

arsenalfan wrote:

Real Barcelona wrote:Forgot to mention body check. Very affective is you are BFS.

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And hand balls

You do not need to be BFS to put your hand on the ball.

Teams should have a limit to foreign players.
Half of Bayer and Real players are not German nor Spaniars.

urahater wrote:Teams should have a limit to foreign players.
Half of Bayer and Real players are not German nor Spaniars.

I would elect to remove any sort of merit-based selection. They should all have 18% Chinese and 11% Indians required.

urahater wrote:Teams should have a limit to foreign players.
Half of Bayer and Real players are not German nor Spaniars.

Actually they do its just a bit tricky with the European Union laws.

There must be some mistake. I'm pretty sure that I learned from the experts on this forum that direct long ball play cannot succeed. It is well established that only possession wins championships.

urahater wrote:Teams should have a limit to foreign players.
Half of Bayer and Real players are not German nor Spaniars.

Why would you expect a club team to have players only from the country where the club is headquartered? This isn't the World Cup.

I never thought I would see the day when "Big, Strong and Fast" would be offered as a sort of insult in the world of athletics!

Freeatlast wrote:I never thought I would see the day when "Big, Strong and Fast" would be offered as a sort of insult in the world of athletics!

ok so lets start a german style soccer bandwagon

omega striker wrote:ok so lets start a german style soccer bandwagon:cheers:

At least they have decent beer.