Re: Classic League Challenge Tournament Format – De-Briefing

by Soccerinsanity 6/14/2013, 12:25 pm

Interesting idea, EOB! NTX would still make the $70K for each age level because the d1/d2 would have to register as well so they would be happy.

by my2cents 6/14/2013, 12:46 pm

EOB wrote:yeh -- i don;t think you are going to create a system that everyone is happy with. Under last years rules where D3 #9 and # 10 versus top 1-2 teams from Plano/Arlington -- what i have seen is the D3 teams don;t requalify. the 6-7 teams play each other and for the most part - every game is tough. The Plano/API teams are hungry and typically good to have placed 1st/2nd in their leagues over 18 games. Many times the D3 teams at #9/10 spots are struggling coming down the stretch and have not performed well in the challenge. Under the new rules with the open format and seeding -- you have a different scenario. Even the D 3 #9/#10 receive decent draws. They catch a break with a team in their bracket having an off game and boom --they requalify.

If i were ass't to the regional mgr-- i would propose bottom 5 of D3 spots are open. Those 5 teams and then limiting the number of teams from Plano/API (or elsewhere) that can challenge. (maybe must have finished in top 5 in their respective league ?). In the past the knock against the top 1-2 in Plano/API were invited, made it very difficult to get out of Plano and into Cllassic. You could argue it is the same as D3 teams trying to get into D2 by finishing 1st / 2nd. There are teams that finish 3rd in D3 3-4 years in a road -- "stuck" in D3.

I heard someone comment about competitive teams and it actually makes sense to me. Here would be the reclassifications for most competitive diisions.

Top 5 in D1 (better than everyone esle)
Bottom 5 in D1 and then top 5 in D2
Bottom 5 in D2 and top 5 in D3
Bottom 5 in D3 and top 2-3 in Plano/API

I have seen several times where a team out of Plano challenges into D3 and then finishes 1st in D3 that next year-- several have then competed very well at D2 the following year (now the team may have changed the 2nd year as can the existing teams in D2 idk)

The bottom 5 of D3 having to challenge is a decent idea but D1 and D2 having to requalify is IMO a horrible idea. There really is not much difference between upper PPL, APL and most D3 teams. The big seperation starts coming at D2. This is where many teams hit their plateau and fizzle then fold. Getting into and staying in D1 takes alot of talent, commitment, and usually as they get older development. If you make it there and stay in the top 8 requalifying is a waste of time that should be being spent on either showcasing or resting players that have had a full year without a break.
Insanity I do not know where you got the 70K figure but it is CL that makes the cash. I don't see how NTX makes a dime off this process.

by Soccerinsanity 6/14/2013, 1:28 pm

I stand corrected that it is CL.

by EOB 6/14/2013, 1:46 pm

sorry --i was not suggesting that D1 and D2 requalifiy. I was saying the talent level of the teams and the competitiveness breaks down like i mentioned once you take the top 5 D1 teams away. -- next 10 teams (bottom 5 D1 and top 5 D2) would make a good competitive bracket. and so on.

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