King TUT 2016 *Unofficial*

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Knowing that any predictions are speculative at best, would anyone like to give it a try for each bracket?  Do you think there will be any upsets?

Not sure why FCD Gold, a former PPL team, is actually in the gold bracket with teams that have Classic byes, while former Classic League teams are in the silver bracket, along with FCD West (Kang) that, by the way, ranked higher than FCD Gold (Schmugge) in the North Texas rankings last year.  

The following are the teams playing in the tournament along with their North Texas rankings:  

Gold Bracket:
7.   FC DALLAS (Pino)  - Classic Div I bye
15. AYSES GOLD (Foster) - Classic Div II bye
17. FC DALLAS CENTRAL (Topletz) - Classic Div III bye
NR. FC DALLAS GOLD (Schmugge) - former PPL/U11
NR. MISSISSIPPI ODP (Rose)  

Silver Bracket
14. FC DALLAS WEST (Kang) - former PPL/U11
18. COLLEYVILLE SA EVOLUTION GREEN (Scannell)  - former Classic Div III/U11
31. FUEGO FC (Torres) - former Classic Div III/U11
32. FC DALLAS WHITE (Perez) - former PPL/U12  
61. FC DALLAS EAST (Reese) - former PPL/U11  
NR. FC DALLAS-ETX ELITE (Bernard)

It appears the brackets shuffled as I see some of the teams in gold are now in silver. Also with age pure shift, many teams have gained and or lost strength, hence playing in higher or lower brackets.

FCD Gold gained several key players from previous classic teams to strengthen an already strong PPL team.

FCD Kang lost their key players (04's) which were the core of that team and kept them higher in the rankings in PPL.

Soccer10Dad wrote:It appears the brackets shuffled as I see some of the teams in gold are now in silver.  Also with age pure shift, many teams have gained and or lost strength, hence playing in higher or lower brackets.  

FCD Gold gained several key players from previous classic teams to strengthen an already strong PPL team.  

FCD Kang lost their key players (04's) which were the core of that team and kept them higher in the rankings in PPL.  

The website is still showing the same brackets as posted above, so this may develop into something interesting.

From what I understand, FCD Kang still has his key players, they have just moved to a different practice location after Kang combined them with some very good former 04 players.  I think this will be a top team if not THE top team in the Challenge games. Last I heard, Kang also had another team that will not be competing in the challenge games.  

Not sure about FCD Gold, but from what I have heard, they were struggling to find players before signing because all of the other higher level teams such as Lopez, Molina, and even Hayes at the end of June, were siphoning off players.

You know what, I messed up and looked at the U12 instead of U13. Sorry

THH - I heard back in June that FCD Kang still had its core 04 players from last year's U11 team. Anything can happen in the madness leading up to signing day, but I'd be surprised if that core moved on. Agree that they should show well in the Silver Bracket.

First post fail! Apologies TTH for transposing your initials.

HupHolland wrote:First post fail!  Apologies TTH for transposing your initials.

No problem Hup.  

Gold Division

Friday's Results:

#7  FC DALLAS (Pino):  4 - 1  vs. #17  FC DALLAS CENTRAL (Topletz)

#15  AYSES GOLD (Foster)   4 - 0  vs. NR  FC DALLAS GOLD (Schmugge)

Saturday's Results:

#17  FC DALLAS CENTRAL (Topletz)   1 - 1  vs. NR MISSISSIPPI ODP (Rose)

#15  AYSES GOLD (Foster)  5 - 1 vs.  #17  FC DALLAS CENTRAL (Topletz)

#7  FC DALLAS (Pino)  11 - 0  vs.  NR MISSISSIPPI ODP (Rose)

Sunday's Results:

#17  FC DALLAS CENTRAL (Topletz)  2 - 1 vs. NR FC DALLAS GOLD (Schmugge)

#15  AYSES GOLD (Foster)  3 - 3 vs.  NR MISSISSIPPI ODP (Rose)

#7  FC DALLAS (Pino)  3 - 0 vs. #15  AYSES GOLD (Foster)

NR MISSISSIPPI ODP (Rose)  3 - 1 vs.  NR FC DALLAS GOLD (Schmugge)

Standings:

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Team	MP	W	D	L	GF	GA	PTS
#7 FC DALLAS (Pino)	3	3	0	0	18	1	29
#15  AYSES GOLD (Foster)	4	2	1	1	12	7	25
NR MISSISSIPPI ODP (Rose)	4	1	2	1	7	16	19
#17  FC DALLAS CENTRAL (Topletz)	4	1	1	2	5	11	14
NR FC DALLAS GOLD (Schmugge)	3	0	0	3	2	9	2

 
Silver Division

Saturday's Results:

#31. FUEGO FC (Torres)   2 - 1  vs. #18. COLLEYVILLE SA EVOLUTION GREEN (Scannell)

NR. FC DALLAS-ETX ELITE (Bernard)  2 -1  vs. #32. FC DALLAS WHITE (Perez)

#14. FC DALLAS WEST (Kang)  5 - 1  vs.  #61. FC DALLAS EAST (Reese)

#31. FUEGO FC (Torres)  2 - 0  vs.  #32. FC DALLAS WHITE (Perez) 

#61. FC DALLAS EAST (Reese)  3 - 2  vs.  #18. COLLEYVILLE SA EVOLUTION GREEN (Scannell)   

#14. FC DALLAS WEST (Kang)   3  - 0   vs.  NR. FC DALLAS-ETX ELITE (Bernard)

Sunday's Results:

#14. FC DALLAS WEST (Kang)  3 - 0 vs. #18. COLLEYVILLE SA EVOLUTION GREEN (Scannell) 

#61. FC DALLAS EAST (Reese)  5 - 0 vs. #32. FC DALLAS WHITE (Perez) 

NR. FC DALLAS-ETX ELITE (Bernard)  4 - 0 vs. #31. FUEGO FC (Torres) 

NR. FC DALLAS-ETX ELITE (Bernard) 4 - 0 vs. #61. FC DALLAS EAST (Reese)

#14. FC DALLAS WEST (Kang)  6 - 0 vs. #31. FUEGO FC (Torres) 

#18. COLLEYVILLE SA EVOLUTION GREEN (Scannell)  2-1 vs. #32. FC DALLAS WHITE (Perez)

Standings:

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Team	MP	W	D	L	GF	GA	PTS
#14. FC DALLAS WEST (Kang)	4	4	0	0	17	1	39
NR. FC DALLAS-ETX ELITE (Bernard)	4	3	0	1	10	4	28
#61. FC DALLAS EAST (Reese)	4	2	0	2	9	11	20
#31. FUEGO FC (Torres)	4	2	0	2	4	11	17
#18. COLLEYVILLE SA EVOLUTION GREEN (Scannell)	4	1	0	3	5	9	11
#32. FC DALLAS WHITE (Perez)	4	0	0	4	2	11	2

If you have a classic D2 team and 5 guest players and use your real team name, you will be playing in Gold division.  If you are an "all star" team that just happens to have 7 players from the same classic D2 team, you get seeded in Silver.  That is one way to play the system.  At least that is what one of the parents of an "all star" told me.

FYI, you called it truth. FCD Gold did not do well in Gold and FCD West got 39 points in 4 games in silver for run away first.

alv3119 wrote:If you have a classic D2 team and 5 guest players and use your real team name, you will be playing in Gold division.  If you are an "all star" team that just happens to have 7 players from the same classic D2 team, you get seeded in Silver.  That is one way to play the system.

 

This is very interesting.

alv3119 wrote:FYI, you called it truth.  FCD Gold did not do well in Gold and FCD West got 39 points in 4 games in silver for run away first.

I thought FCD Gold would have done better than they did.

FCD Kang is as strong as a div 1 team. Extremely disciplined players and all positions are solid. Gold isn't all that. Schmugge is very disorganized and while they play well to recover the ball have no structure in offense and have incredible turnover rate.

Interesting that more FCD teams didn't participate. ???

FCD Kang did do a great job cleaning up their bracket. It's my understanding the only point scored against them was an errant own goal....completely shut down every team on the pitch. However, I wonder why they didn't play FCD Perez's team (also in their bracket)?

I think FCD Kang should have played in gold, not silver division, the team went for the low hanging fruit, and it is very dissapointing. I am skeptical about "solid positions", there are 3 good players, the rest of the team is just kicking ball to them, no good passing , just booting the ball to one of the three. Last year their top player had an injury and the team did not go for classic qualifications, the coach knew they had no chance qualifying without the top player. I agree though, it is a solid D3 team, they should not have trouble qualifying this year. Good luck to FCD Kang this year.

Kang has 2 04 teams. From scrimmages they looked strong. Plus much prefer the 4-3-3 vs. a kickball biased 4-2-2.

They would've dominated Perez's team.

goal44 wrote:I think FCD Kang should have played in gold, not silver division, the team went for the low hanging fruit, and it is very dissapointing. I am skeptical about  "solid positions", there are 3 good players, the rest of the team is just kicking ball to them, no good passing , just booting the ball to one of the three. Last year their top player had an injury and the team did not go for classic qualifications, the coach knew they had no chance qualifying without the top player. I agree though, it is a solid D3 team, they should not have trouble qualifying this year. Good luck to FCD Kang this year.

Call me naïve, but are you saying it's sometimes by design to field your team into a lower category so the team can win more points? Hmm. I didn't know this was a thing. Well, at least they played with no guest players. They also went undefeated in the Dallas Open against an '03 team (improperly registered) and FCD Schmugge's 04 team.

As for FCD Kang's "3 good players", I don't know about that. I saw all strong players according to their position's job. The defenders defended well. They would've had 4 straight clean slates were it to for the one own goal. The mids and fwds seemed to maintain possession pretty well and centered exceedingly well.

As for "just booting the ball to one of the three", I can understand what you mean, but isn't passing the ball to your fwds and attacking mids kind of the point?

If the team is so good, and played against 2003 team, how come they did not play in the Gold? Schmugge's team has lower rating, and still were not afraid to play in Gold, yes they lost every game, but they had guts to try. I think the team needs to play challenging games, it seems like the coach plays it safe to boost the team's rating. As for Dallas open, coach Kang took his best 2004 players and played them with FCD 2003 Watters team against FCD Schmugge 2004 and Solar Adame, and Liverpool Daglish. FCD Kang was never registered for Dallas open Cup, FCD Waters was, reinforced by 3 best FCD Kang players. You can check it on their website. I think the same 3 players won a few games on a club pass for FCD Crispino last year, which sparkled a few posts from angry parents whose kids sat on the bench, while the trio from FCD Kang was winning the games for FCD Crispino.

FCD Kang would compete with any of the top 5 d1 teams. It is combined of 04 Classic D2 Waters of last year and Kang PPL 05 d1 team from last year. The 2 teams have practiced together for the last year. So there is no growing pains for them. This team is up for a very boring season. They should have took advantage of playing in the gold bracket of this tournament. They played Saturday without 1 of their strongest players. They did only allow 1 own goal coming off of the head of one of their own players. Team will qualify D3 and struggle to keep parents awake during D3 games.

FCD Kang would compete with any of the top 5 d1 teams.

That's the thing with this season; D1; D2; D3 are basically meaningless. No one knows. The only fair way would have been to make every team re-qualify; to bad logistics make that near impossible.

Dallas Open Cup as a judge of AP 04 teams was a failure because of the inclusion of 03 players; my understanding was ONLY the Liverpool team and FCD Gold were AP. Waters and Adame are both known Trophy hunters; I guess Kang is in that as well.

Yes agree 100% on trophy hunters. Kang and Waters are working together and I guess stand for the same purpose. Adame was considered a '03 team however they were just playing same roster that played in D3 last year in the '04 bracket old format. I wouldn't be too excited about winning against them and saying " they beat a '03 team" I think everybody should have had to re-qualify. It is going to take a couple of years to get it back to being competitive. Teams are going to break up again next year because some kids are going to be playing to high or to low. Kang for example has 5 sold D1 game changers playing D3. Parents will not want to keep them back much longer. It will be 3 years before they can see D1. This group was supposed to have a D1 bye that didn't come thru now they have to go thru a year of games like this weekend. The FCD East TX Elite team was their closest game at 3-0 they are a D2 team. AP is going to mess up a lot of the development process. In my opinion

Agree 100% with 99goaliedad, AP will mess up the development process. It would be fair for AP boys to requalify and start over.

Don't think it will mess up development; but any coach that spends time with a team should have a decent idea what level to put them in at at tournaments when given bracket options. Plano Labor day, for example, usually has 3-4 different levels; it'll be interesting to see how the teams rank themselves and how the results play out.

Kang has two teams. One will dominate D3 if it doesn't have a bye for D2 or higher and the other will be Plano. D3 will be most exciting as those teams which haven't qualified or have an axe to grind (Crush) will be in fierce contention.

So out of all this.. No Crispino talk? Does he coach anymore? Sorry to devolve the conversation - couldn't help myself.

soccerlvr wrote:FCD Kang is as strong as a div 1 team.

Let's not get too carried away.  After playing in Silver in the King TUT, lets see how they do against some competitive teams before anointing them soccer gods. Colleyville and Fuego not looking like Classic level teams right now, even though they may end up back there. Former Seaver team (Reese) and FCD ETX were Kang's competition, and that speaks for itself, although FCD Reese and ETX not looking too shabby.  

I agree that Kang may be one of the best teams in the challenge tournament, but to say they will be bored, like someone suggested, give me a break.

Does anyone know if FCD ETX Elite will be taking the former FCD Guevara Classic Division II spot?

allen04 wrote:Waters and Adame are both known Trophy hunters; I guess Kang is in that as well.

Trophy Hunters? So when is trying to win called trophy hunting? Ridiculous. Kang is not a trophy hunter by any stretch of the imagination.

soccerlvr wrote:So out of all this.. No Crispino talk? Does he coach anymore? Sorry to devolve the conversation - couldn't help myself.

You mentioned Crispino. Please don't do that.

Just trying to liven to board up a bit. My thoughts on the Kang team come from scrimmages I watched prior. I didn't see the tournament.

They have filled their positions nicely and from what I saw are playing pretty soccer vs. what a lot of other FCD teams.

I imagine they will be vulnerable to teams that are dependent on one or two fast players.