FCD - low ticket sales

homer999 wrote:Scotland has a population of 5.1 million and has pro 12 teams with the average attendance of 15,000 per game. DFW has a population of 6.3 million and has one pro team with an average attendance of less than 10,000. Not much to compare.

6.3M is a little inflated - NCTCG counts outlying cities like Corsicana, Weatehrford, Greenville, etc that arent really part of the metroplex proper. Scotland doesn't have NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, PGA, NCCA, UIL competing for audience.....

chasematt wrote:

homer999 wrote:Scotland has a population of 5.1 million and has pro 12 teams with the average attendance of 15,000 per game. DFW has a population of 6.3 million and has one pro team with an average attendance of less than 10,000. Not much to compare.

6.3M is a little inflated - NCTCG counts outlying cities like Corsicana, Weatehrford, Greenville, etc that arent really part of the metroplex proper. Scotland doesn't have NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, PGA, NCCA, UIL competing for audience.....

And the US doesn't have Shinty.

homer999 wrote:Scotland has a population of 5.1 million and has pro 12 teams with the average attendance of 15,000 per game. DFW has a population of 6.3 million and has one pro team with an average attendance of less than 10,000. Not much to compare.

I was comparing quality of leagues. However using your numbers, Scotland's 5 mil population is by far more "soccer" mad then the DFW elite and they still have comparable numbers.

You have interesting logic and poor math. Scotland has 12 teams at 15k per game, so assumming 6 games per week during the season, that is 90,000 people attending games at any one point in time. DFW is similiar in population and only has 9,300 attending each game.
As for the other comment on geographic definition, DFW has 12 counties and 9,000 square miles, Scotland has 30,420 square miles, so they have more people driving farther to attend games.
Again, they don't compare.

homer999 wrote:You have interesting logic and poor math. Scotland has 12 teams at 15k per game, so assumming 6 games per week during the season, that is 90,000 people attending games at any one point in time. DFW is similiar in population and only has 9,300 attending each game.
As for the other comment on geographic definition, DFW has 12 counties and 9,000 square miles, Scotland has 30,420 square miles, so they have more people driving farther to attend games.
Again, they don't compare.

People will drive to see quality play not to get something free.
We went to the Chelsea game and it was a complete pain in the arse. Expensive as heck. took us 1 1/2 hours to get home. Upset at the fact that some of the big players did not play but you know what my bb said to me after a game of watching the Chelsea scrubs (not all were scrubs) play?
"That was the best soccer game I have ever been to"
He has never ever come close to saying anything like that about an MLS game.

FCD has two wins in a row for the first time this year, maybe there is hope.

Tequilapark wrote:FCD has two wins in a row for the first time this year, maybe there is hope.

Hope is for church goers.

If they had put their stadium in the center of the mentroplex I would go to more games and probably suffer through them. it's a hell of a long drive for those of us in Ft Worth...in adition to the driving we are already doing for club.
Maybe FCD will agree to start their game just after my boys game finishes. We will already be there and can just walk on over.

Todd76123 wrote:If they had put their stadium in the center of the mentroplex I would go to more games and probably suffer through them. it's a hell of a long drive for those of us in Ft Worth...in adition to the driving we are already doing for club.
Maybe FCD will agree to start their game just after my boys game finishes. We will already be there and can just walk on over.

If you are in Fort Worth, you will be able to see better quality teams right down the road at Jerry's place

soccerrus2 wrote:

Todd76123 wrote:If they had put their stadium in the center of the mentroplex I would go to more games and probably suffer through them. it's a hell of a long drive for those of us in Ft Worth...in adition to the driving we are already doing for club.
Maybe FCD will agree to start their game just after my boys game finishes. We will already be there and can just walk on over.

If you are in Fort Worth, you will be able to see better quality teams right down the road at Jerry's place

For about 3x the cost!

happyfeet wrote:

soccerrus2 wrote:

Todd76123 wrote:If they had put their stadium in the center of the mentroplex I would go to more games and probably suffer through them. it's a hell of a long drive for those of us in Ft Worth...in adition to the driving we are already doing for club.
Maybe FCD will agree to start their game just after my boys game finishes. We will already be there and can just walk on over.

If you are in Fort Worth, you will be able to see better quality teams right down the road at Jerry's place

For about 3x the cost!

How do you figure? Paid $33 per ticket for Chelsea as compared to $23.25 for last FCDallas.

I think he thought you were talking about going to see the Cowboys play instead of watching soccer....

The German wrote:

Tequilapark wrote:FCD has two wins in a row for the first time this year, maybe there is hope.

Hope is for church goers.

Actually, Faith is for church goers, Hope is for nonchurch goers.

My kids have a closet full of FC Dallas Jerseys of guys that don't play there any longer. Ruiz, Toja, Cooper. There has to be some kind of draw. Cunningham will be gone in the next year. Shea? Dax?(probably my favorite if they would just let him play) Ferreira?

b0013 wrote:FCD ticket office has a big problem...without the support and promotion from all the other clubs in NT, sales will stay low.

As long as MLS and FCD continue to promote, advertise, and only support FCD youth soccer club in this area, the heads of Texans, Solar, TFC, etc...will never support or promote MLS/FCD....and why should they?

If I am in business and my competition wants me to promote their product...that would not be a very good business decision.

I agree it seems like they put more empatheis on the youth club than the MLS team. I remember voicing my displeasure to a FC Dallas executive after the Toja transfer, and they explained that the money they received would finance the academy teams for a whole year. I could care a less about how good their academy teams are.

eagle wrote:

b0013 wrote:FCD ticket office has a big problem...without the support and promotion from all the other clubs in NT, sales will stay low.

As long as MLS and FCD continue to promote, advertise, and only support FCD youth soccer club in this area, the heads of Texans, Solar, TFC, etc...will never support or promote MLS/FCD....and why should they?

If I am in business and my competition wants me to promote their product...that would not be a very good business decision.

I agree it seems like they put more empatheis on the youth club than the MLS team. I remember voicing my displeasure to a FC Dallas executive after the Toja transfer, and they explained that the money they received would finance the academy teams for a whole year. I could care a less about how good their academy teams are.

Yeah but if they can develope and tranfer players out of their academy system, they can make more money than they ever would from ticket sales. BTW don't overestimate the power of the other youth clubs. Even with their full support and discounted tickets, you would not fill the stands. I would bet that you could give free tickets to every youth player in the metroplex and still not fill the seats. The product is garbage, the style of play is european while the fan base is latin, and the league is young. Just read a report that the brazillian club Santos now feels that they are successful enough to run the club from ticket sales instead of from selling players. They are a much older and more succesful club than FCD and the Brazillian league is more established with much higher average ticket sale.

go99 wrote:

eagle wrote:

b0013 wrote:FCD ticket office has a big problem...without the support and promotion from all the other clubs in NT, sales will stay low.

As long as MLS and FCD continue to promote, advertise, and only support FCD youth soccer club in this area, the heads of Texans, Solar, TFC, etc...will never support or promote MLS/FCD....and why should they?

If I am in business and my competition wants me to promote their product...that would not be a very good business decision.

I agree it seems like they put more empatheis on the youth club than the MLS team. I remember voicing my displeasure to a FC Dallas executive after the Toja transfer, and they explained that the money they received would finance the academy teams for a whole year. I could care a less about how good their academy teams are.

Yeah but if they can develope and tranfer players out of their academy system, they can make more money than they ever would from ticket sales. BTW don't overestimate the power of the other youth clubs. Even with their full support and discounted tickets, you would not fill the stands. I would bet that you could give free tickets to every youth player in the metroplex and still not fill the seats. The product is garbage, the style of play is european while the fan base is latin, and the league is young. Just read a report that the brazillian club Santos now feels that they are successful enough to run the club from ticket sales instead of from selling players. They are a much older and more succesful club than FCD and the Brazillian league is more established with much higher average ticket sale.

99 I agree with everything you say EXCEPT
EUROPEAN STYLE SOCCER? Are you out of your mind!
That is crappy American style soccer they play in frisco!

arsenalfan wrote:

go99 wrote:

eagle wrote:

b0013 wrote:FCD ticket office has a big problem...without the support and promotion from all the other clubs in NT, sales will stay low.

As long as MLS and FCD continue to promote, advertise, and only support FCD youth soccer club in this area, the heads of Texans, Solar, TFC, etc...will never support or promote MLS/FCD....and why should they?

If I am in business and my competition wants me to promote their product...that would not be a very good business decision.

I agree it seems like they put more empatheis on the youth club than the MLS team. I remember voicing my displeasure to a FC Dallas executive after the Toja transfer, and they explained that the money they received would finance the academy teams for a whole year. I could care a less about how good their academy teams are.

Yeah but if they can develope and tranfer players out of their academy system, they can make more money than they ever would from ticket sales. BTW don't overestimate the power of the other youth clubs. Even with their full support and discounted tickets, you would not fill the stands. I would bet that you could give free tickets to every youth player in the metroplex and still not fill the seats. The product is garbage, the style of play is european while the fan base is latin, and the league is young. Just read a report that the brazillian club Santos now feels that they are successful enough to run the club from ticket sales instead of from selling players. They are a much older and more succesful club than FCD and the Brazillian league is more established with much higher average ticket sale.

99 I agree with everything you say EXCEPT
EUROPEAN STYLE SOCCER? Are you out of your mind!
That is crappy American style soccer they play in frisco!

I agree with that but it is just a poor execution at that style of play.

go99 wrote:

arsenalfan wrote:

go99 wrote:

eagle wrote:

b0013 wrote:FCD ticket office has a big problem...without the support and promotion from all the other clubs in NT, sales will stay low.

As long as MLS and FCD continue to promote, advertise, and only support FCD youth soccer club in this area, the heads of Texans, Solar, TFC, etc...will never support or promote MLS/FCD....and why should they?

If I am in business and my competition wants me to promote their product...that would not be a very good business decision.

I agree it seems like they put more empatheis on the youth club than the MLS team. I remember voicing my displeasure to a FC Dallas executive after the Toja transfer, and they explained that the money they received would finance the academy teams for a whole year. I could care a less about how good their academy teams are.

Yeah but if they can develope and tranfer players out of their academy system, they can make more money than they ever would from ticket sales. BTW don't overestimate the power of the other youth clubs. Even with their full support and discounted tickets, you would not fill the stands. I would bet that you could give free tickets to every youth player in the metroplex and still not fill the seats. The product is garbage, the style of play is european while the fan base is latin, and the league is young. Just read a report that the brazillian club Santos now feels that they are successful enough to run the club from ticket sales instead of from selling players. They are a much older and more succesful club than FCD and the Brazillian league is more established with much higher average ticket sale.

99 I agree with everything you say EXCEPT
EUROPEAN STYLE SOCCER? Are you out of your mind!
That is crappy American style soccer they play in frisco!

I agree with that but it is just a poor execution at that style of play.

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FCD returns to the Cotton Bowl........well atleast for 1 game.
check out 3rd degree . net

this subject saddens THE THREAD.

I love this quote from Hyndman. He blames leadership for their problems but excludes himself from the blame.
Hyndman admits attitude and team chemistry have both been issues since his hiring last June. "It's been a recurring theme since I've been here and it comes down to leadership," he said. "I think the leadership from the coaches, we're doing everything we can. I don't know if we're getting it from the players and it might be the selection of players."

Will not make the drive from East Dallas to Oklahoma any more....taking the family and all of my bbs team-mates to SMU games....GO !!!! PONIES!!!!!

I feel your pain.

For me it's not the play, Hyndman, Frisco, etc. I just can't afford to take a family of four to an event at $25/ticket more than once or twice per season. I would catch every game if I could. I actually enjoy watching the youth games almost as much.

I refuse to go and see that kind a crap they have on the field. Last weekend was a perfect example of crap soccer. Playing against 10 players for 30 minutes and still getting beat. They can't work the ball up to the strikers so they play the long ball all day which wasn't working.
THEY SUCK!