U11 schedules

plantit wrote:Wonder if any of #itchers and complainers have ever considered VOLUNTEERING 1 min of their time. AXX you got a pass I feel your pain ( in the same boat)

I sure hope not. Based on their commentary here, the itchy & scratchy are not the one's I want involved in the process.

It seems pretty simple to me... the overall plan is primarily designed to rank teams based on results over two seasons - spring and fall - 19 games for each team - everybody plays everybody once. Its a secondary concern to level out the schedule for the fall and spring seasons and almost impossible to do if they are sensitive to coaching conflicts.

Parents would obviously prefer a "level playing field" in each season so we can determine winners and losers, be happy, complain or whatever. It is what it is, we will know after 18 more games what the final results are. Between now and then, a handful of teams will rise to the top in the fall season and then be validated in the spring season on if they should remain there.

I have to admit, it would be much more fun to play one game a day for the next 18 days and get it all settled by October 1st - but, then we all would have nothing to do for the next 8 months!

Ok so now I am even more confused ! I thought that at the end of this fall season the current 20 D1 teams will be split into 10 D1 and 10 D2 based on the results of the fall season. Then these 10 d1 teams will play each others during the spring season. Isn't that the plan ? If it is that means you will often play twice the same teams (let's assume Fort Worth stays D1; with their 6 top 10 matchups they will replay quite a few of the same teams). 

gababa wrote:Ok so now I am even more confused ! I thought that at the end of this fall season the current 20 D1 teams will be split into 10 D1 and 10 D2 based on the results of the fall season. Then these 10 d1 teams will play each others during the spring season. Isn't that the plan ? If it is that means you will often play twice the same teams (let's assume Fort Worth stays D1; with their 6 top 10 matchups they will replay quite a few of the same teams).

That doesn't happen until U12. This year all 20 D1 teams play each other one time. Next year there will be 10 in D1, 10 in D2, 10 in D3.

So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

gababa wrote:Ok so now I am even more confused ! I thought that at the end of this fall season the current 20 D1 teams will be split into 10 D1 and 10 D2 based on the results of the fall season. Then these 10 d1 teams will play each others during the spring season. Isn't that the plan ? If it is that means you will often play twice the same teams (let's assume Fort Worth stays D1; with their 6 top 10 matchups they will replay quite a few of the same teams).

What are you smoking?!?

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to complete your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to induce the need for completing your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

Well stated...

FSFFL wrote:

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to induce the need for completing your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

Well stated...

I picked the wrong season to stop sniffing glue....

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to complete your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

I thought the top two U11 D2 were going to move into U12D1?

Thanks RIP

Ibystander wrote:

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to complete your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

I thought the top two U11 D2 were going to move into U12D1?

I should let rip handle this.

There's no room for this in U11. In U11 D1 is made up of 20 teams. In every other age group D1 is 10 teams. This year is to figure out who should be the 10 teams in D1, D2, and D3. So, U11 D1 teams 1-10 will remain D1 in U12 as rip stated. You are correct after U11, however. In U12 and beyond, teams 9-10 in D1 will be relegated to D2 and teams 1-2 in D2 will be promoted to D1. Teams 9-10 in D2 will be relegated to D3 and teams 1-2 in D3 will be promoted to D2. Teams 9-10 in D3 and some teams from Plano and Arlington will challenge for spots in D3 Classic.

FSFFL wrote:

Ibystander wrote:

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to complete your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

I thought the top two U11 D2 were going to move into U12D1?

I should let rip handle this.

There's no room for this in U11. In U11 D1 is made up of 20 teams. In every other age group D1 is 10 teams. This year is to figure out who should be the 10 teams in D1, D2, and D3. So, U11 D1 teams 1-10 will remain D1 in U12 as rip stated. You are correct after U11, however. In U12 and beyond, teams 9-10 in D1 will be relegated to D2 and teams 1-2 in D2 will be promoted to D1. Teams 9-10 in D2 will be relegated to D3 and teams 1-2 in D3 will be promoted to D2. Teams 9-10 in D3 and some teams from Plano and Arlington will challenge for spots in D3 Classic.

If you insist.... this explains the original question.

FSFFL wrote:

Ibystander wrote:

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to complete your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

I thought the top two U11 D2 were going to move into U12D1?

I should let rip handle this.

There's no room for this in U11. In U11 D1 is made up of 20 teams. In every other age group D1 is 10 teams. This year is to figure out who should be the 10 teams in D1, D2, and D3. So, U11 D1 teams 1-10 will remain D1 in U12 as rip stated. You are correct after U11, however. In U12 and beyond, teams 9-10 in D1 will be relegated to D2 and teams 1-2 in D2 will be promoted to D1. Teams 9-10 in D2 will be relegated to D3 and teams 1-2 in D3 will be promoted to D2. Teams 9-10 in D3 and some teams from Plano and Arlington will challenge for spots in D3 Classic.

I should have added....another way to look at this is that in U11, D1 is really D1 and D2 playing together without relegation or promotion between D1 and D2. You are playing for a top 10 spot to stay in D1. However, the relegation and promotion rules for D2/D3 are in effect, so you do not want to finish 19 or 20 (because you are then relegated to D3).

D2 is really D3, with all relegation and promotion rules in effect. So, you want to finish 1-2 to be promoted to the real D2 and you do not want to finish 9-10 because you then have to play in a challenge tournament for your spot to stay in Classic D3 for the next season (U12).

Clear?

FSFFL wrote:

FSFFL wrote:

Ibystander wrote:

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to complete your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

I thought the top two U11 D2 were going to move into U12D1?

I should let rip handle this.

There's no room for this in U11. In U11 D1 is made up of 20 teams. In every other age group D1 is 10 teams. This year is to figure out who should be the 10 teams in D1, D2, and D3. So, U11 D1 teams 1-10 will remain D1 in U12 as rip stated. You are correct after U11, however. In U12 and beyond, teams 9-10 in D1 will be relegated to D2 and teams 1-2 in D2 will be promoted to D1. Teams 9-10 in D2 will be relegated to D3 and teams 1-2 in D3 will be promoted to D2. Teams 9-10 in D3 and some teams from Plano and Arlington will challenge for spots in D3 Classic.

I should have added....another way to look at this is that in U11, D1 is really D1 and D2 playing together without relegation or promotion between D1 and D2. You are playing for a top 10 spot to stay in D1. However, the relegation and promotion rules for D2/D3 are in effect, so you do not want to finish 19 or 20 (because you are then relegated to D3).

D2 is really D3, with all relegation and promotion rules in effect. So, you want to finish 1-2 to be promoted to the real D2 and you do not want to finish 9-10 because you then have to play in a challenge tournament for your spot to stay in Classic D3 for the next season (U12).

Clear?

Who's on third and what's on second?

exactly...I'm an engineer and I'm starting to get confused...or starting to confuse myself...not sure which!

Ibystander wrote:

FSFFL wrote:

FSFFL wrote:

Ibystander wrote:

rip wrote:

DadofDefense wrote:So at the end of the year will the D1 bottom dwellers automatically move to U12 D2 and U11 D2 become U12 D3?
Or is it possible that a U11 bottom dweller will drop to U12 D3 and a top notch U11 D2 jump to U12 D2?

At the end of the '09/'10 season, the top 10 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D1. Positions 11-18 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 19-20 from U11 D1 will be invited to play as U12 D3. To further confuse you imbeciles, positions 1-2 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D2. Positions 3-8 from U11 D2 will be invited to play as U12 D3. And finally to complete your needs for frontal lobotomies, positions U11 D2 9-10 will be invited to a play-in tournament with a couple of teams from Arlington and Plano to vie for 2 invitations to U12 D3.

I thought the top two U11 D2 were going to move into U12D1?

I should let rip handle this.

There's no room for this in U11. In U11 D1 is made up of 20 teams. In every other age group D1 is 10 teams. This year is to figure out who should be the 10 teams in D1, D2, and D3. So, U11 D1 teams 1-10 will remain D1 in U12 as rip stated. You are correct after U11, however. In U12 and beyond, teams 9-10 in D1 will be relegated to D2 and teams 1-2 in D2 will be promoted to D1. Teams 9-10 in D2 will be relegated to D3 and teams 1-2 in D3 will be promoted to D2. Teams 9-10 in D3 and some teams from Plano and Arlington will challenge for spots in D3 Classic.

I should have added....another way to look at this is that in U11, D1 is really D1 and D2 playing together without relegation or promotion between D1 and D2. You are playing for a top 10 spot to stay in D1. However, the relegation and promotion rules for D2/D3 are in effect, so you do not want to finish 19 or 20 (because you are then relegated to D3).

D2 is really D3, with all relegation and promotion rules in effect. So, you want to finish 1-2 to be promoted to the real D2 and you do not want to finish 9-10 because you then have to play in a challenge tournament for your spot to stay in Classic D3 for the next season (U12).

Clear?

Who's on third and what's on second?

rip knows. So the top 10 will be d1 and the bottom 10 will be d2. The current d2 falls to d3. right?

Basically it is the long version of QT to see who should be in D1, D2 and D3. It takes away the excuses of one bad game, players missing and those darn refs. By u12 D1, 7 of the 10 will undeniably be the best and D2 will have 1 or 2 should ofs could ofs but will be very even and D3 is where your surprising upcomers and your fool's gold will be.

go99 wrote: rip knows. So the top 10 will be d1 and the bottom 10 will be d2. The current d2 falls to d3. right?

Basically, yes. There are 2 caveats to that though:

1. The bottom 2 from U11 D1 (19 & 20) go down to U12 D3 and the top 2 from U11 D2 move up to U12 D2.

2. The bottom 2 from U11 D2 have to play in the play-in tournament with Plano and Arlington to see who gets that last 2 spots in U12 D3.

I'm done.

rip wrote:

go99 wrote: rip knows. So the top 10 will be d1 and the bottom 10 will be d2. The current d2 falls to d3. right?

Basically, yes. There are 2 caveats to that though:

1. The bottom 2 from U11 D1 (19 & 20) go down to U12 D3 and the top 2 from U11 D2 move up to U12 D2.

2. The bottom 2 from U11 D2 have to play in the play-in tournament with Plano and Arlington to see who gets that last 2 spots in U12 D3.

I'm done.

NO, don't go. This is starting to get amusing.

rip wrote:

go99 wrote: rip knows. So the top 10 will be d1 and the bottom 10 will be d2. The current d2 falls to d3. right?

Basically, yes. There are 2 caveats to that though:

1. The bottom 2 from U11 D1 (19 & 20) go down to U12 D3 and the top 2 from U11 D2 move up to U12 D2.

2. The bottom 2 from U11 D2 have to play in the play-in tournament with Plano and Arlington to see who gets that last 2 spots in U12 D3.

I'm done.

lol. Okay got it. Didn't know about that last part.

go99 wrote:

rip wrote:

go99 wrote: rip knows. So the top 10 will be d1 and the bottom 10 will be d2. The current d2 falls to d3. right?

Basically, yes. There are 2 caveats to that though:

1. The bottom 2 from U11 D1 (19 & 20) go down to U12 D3 and the top 2 from U11 D2 move up to U12 D2.

2. The bottom 2 from U11 D2 have to play in the play-in tournament with Plano and Arlington to see who gets that last 2 spots in U12 D3.

I'm done.

lol. Okay got it. Didn't know about that last part.

All you had to do was read the explanations above where it is clearly stated. But it is obvious you see things differently, and only read the part of the posts that you care to and interpret them in very different ways.

Axxman wrote:

go99 wrote:

rip wrote:

go99 wrote: rip knows. So the top 10 will be d1 and the bottom 10 will be d2. The current d2 falls to d3. right?

Basically, yes. There are 2 caveats to that though:

1. The bottom 2 from U11 D1 (19 & 20) go down to U12 D3 and the top 2 from U11 D2 move up to U12 D2.

2. The bottom 2 from U11 D2 have to play in the play-in tournament with Plano and Arlington to see who gets that last 2 spots in U12 D3.

I'm done.

lol. Okay got it. Didn't know about that last part.

All you had to do was read the explanations above where it is clearly stated. But it is obvious you see things differently, and only read the part of the posts that you care to and interpret them in very different ways.

sorry just didn't get it in the other post. It took the clarity of rip so I could fully understand.