Brazilian Footballer Decapitated

AVillan12 wrote:I love how everybody made all the parents feel so good about watching their BB or DD play soccer!!!!!  Atleast now we know why there has been a larger than normal police presence at Richland and FCD.....

Firewater wrote:How about we put up barbed wire fences around each field with a gate the players have to walk though to go in.   Then place SWAT officers on each sideline between the parents. 

This is ridiculous.  If we have to do these things, maybe they should cancel the season.

PremierLeagueFan wrote:
We need a soccer venue that separates the fans from the pitch and the team fans from each other so they go to different parking areas and are on the opposite side of the pitch from one another.

bigtex75081 wrote:Ugh... I am having too much difficulty holding my tongue on this one...

Parents' behavior at youth sporting events is already a problem but now we've got folks on here insisting they have a right to bring their handguns with them.  Have I forgotten Sandy Hook?  No.  Have I forgotten Trayvon Martin?  No, I haven't forgotten him either.  

If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then I don't trust you and I don't trust you around my kids.  If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then you should have your CHL revoked.  Just because you legally CAN carry a gun there, that doesn't mean you SHOULD carry a gun there.

I can make up stats too.  I like this one... A CHL holder is far less likely to shoot people up and seek confrontation WHEN HE ISN'T CARRYING then when he is carrying.

soccerisgood123 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:Ugh... I am having too much difficulty holding my tongue on this one...

Parents' behavior at youth sporting events is already a problem but now we've got folks on here insisting they have a right to bring their handguns with them.  Have I forgotten Sandy Hook?  No.  Have I forgotten Trayvon Martin?  No, I haven't forgotten him either.  

If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then I don't trust you and I don't trust you around my kids.  If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then you should have your CHL revoked.  Just because you legally CAN carry a gun there, that doesn't mean you SHOULD carry a gun there.

I can make up stats too.  I like this one... A CHL holder is far less likely to shoot people up and seek confrontation WHEN HE ISN'T CARRYING then when he is carrying.

silly frankly, do you think a criminal will give a rats behind what you think? people like you think that a problem will announce itself far in advance and there will be plenty of time blah blah. where do you think someone needs to use their chl, only at night at 3am in the hood? i dont fear chl holders i fear criminals and lunatics that just love target rich environments full of people who can't defend themselves...

bigtex75081 wrote:

soccerisgood123 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:Ugh... I am having too much difficulty holding my tongue on this one...

Parents' behavior at youth sporting events is already a problem but now we've got folks on here insisting they have a right to bring their handguns with them.  Have I forgotten Sandy Hook?  No.  Have I forgotten Trayvon Martin?  No, I haven't forgotten him either.  

If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then I don't trust you and I don't trust you around my kids.  If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then you should have your CHL revoked.  Just because you legally CAN carry a gun there, that doesn't mean you SHOULD carry a gun there.


I can make up stats too.  I like this one... A CHL holder is far less likely to shoot people up and seek confrontation WHEN HE ISN'T CARRYING then when he is carrying.

silly frankly, do you think a criminal will give a rats behind what you think? people like you think that a problem will announce itself far in advance and there will be plenty of time blah blah. where do you think someone needs to use their chl, only at night at 3am in the hood? i dont fear chl holders i fear criminals and lunatics that just love target rich environments full of people who can't defend themselves...

I understand the rational behind your position.  I own a shotgun (but I do not have a CHL) and I would use it to protect my family and home.  I've never considered bringing my shotgun to an outdoor game between the Texans and Andromeda though.

bigtex75081 wrote:

soccerisgood123 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:Ugh... I am having too much difficulty holding my tongue on this one...

Parents' behavior at youth sporting events is already a problem but now we've got folks on here insisting they have a right to bring their handguns with them.  Have I forgotten Sandy Hook?  No.  Have I forgotten Trayvon Martin?  No, I haven't forgotten him either.  

If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then I don't trust you and I don't trust you around my kids.  If you think you need to carry a gun on a youth soccer field then you should have your CHL revoked.  Just because you legally CAN carry a gun there, that doesn't mean you SHOULD carry a gun there.


I can make up stats too.  I like this one... A CHL holder is far less likely to shoot people up and seek confrontation WHEN HE ISN'T CARRYING then when he is carrying.

silly frankly, do you think a criminal will give a rats behind what you think? people like you think that a problem will announce itself far in advance and there will be plenty of time blah blah. where do you think someone needs to use their chl, only at night at 3am in the hood? i dont fear chl holders i fear criminals and lunatics that just love target rich environments full of people who can't defend themselves...

I understand the rational behind your position.  I own a shotgun (but I do not have a CHL) and I would use it to protect my family and home.  I've never considered bringing my shotgun to an outdoor game between the Texans and Andromeda though.

bigtex75081 wrote:3 years from now I’ve got my CHL and I’m carrying during my son’s soccer game.  This argument here changed my perception of the value in carrying for safety.

I’m exactly like you.  My son is exactly like your son.  My son is a good kid.  He doesn’t make trouble but he doesn’t back away from it either.  Neither does your son.

During the game our sons are marking each other.  Early in this very competitive game your son and my son are both going after the ball.  Your son is playing hard and accidently elbows my son in the ribs.  No foul was called, because the referee couldn’t see it from his angle, but my son didn’t like it at all.  My son (full of testosterone and adrenaline just like your son) decides to start playing more physical.

The first half wears on and your son doesn’t appreciate the more physical play. Your son zings the ref for not calling the game fairly and that’s how the trash-talking begins between the two of them.  Yellow cards get issued but neither kid cares because it’s more about pride at this point.

To make matters worse, the sidelines are getting unruly as emotions are running high there too.  People are complaining and whining and yelling.  Things are getting tense.

To exacerbate a very tense moment. A Person sees you draw your weapon. That Person also has a gun. He aims at you and misses with a shot. An innocent bystander is shot/killed instead. Now what?

The referees have tried desperately to get things under control but with only a couple minutes left, they just want this game to end.  Even some league officials have wondered over to the field at this point.

With 2 minutes left in this hard-fought and overly-physical game there is one last battle for a ball between our sons.  This time the elbow from my son was intentional and your son felt it badly.  With an instant reaction built out of anger, anxiety and fear your son clenches his eyes shut and clenches his right fist and lands the luckiest punch ever.  His fist plows into the right side of my son’s jaw and knocks him unconscious immediately.  It happens in only an instant.

My son is helpless, flat on his back about 10 yards in front of me.  Your son opens his eyes and realizes he’s standing right over my son.  Your son’s feet are right by my son’s head.

Your son’s balance shifts a little and it appears to me like your son is getting ready kick my son’s unconscious face with his right foot.  This is the same right foot that just kicked a soccer ball 65 yards through the air.  I’m instantly worried about my son’s safety.

Because I’m worried my son is in mortal danger I unclip the .45 I’m carrying.  (If I’m not willing to use it then why would I carry it, right?)  As I flip the safety I tell your son to stop but he doesn’t hear me.  Your son makes what appears to me as another aggressive move toward my son.  My son is in danger and that is why I decide to pull the trigger and put a bullet into the middle of your son’s chest.  And that’s when this story stops…

Would you still be arguing for my right to carry a handgun onto a youth soccer field after that?

rantnrave wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:3 years from now I’ve got my CHL and I’m carrying during my son’s soccer game.  This argument here changed my perception of the value in carrying for safety.

I’m exactly like you.  My son is exactly like your son.  My son is a good kid.  He doesn’t make trouble but he doesn’t back away from it either.  Neither does your son.

During the game our sons are marking each other.  Early in this very competitive game your son and my son are both going after the ball.  Your son is playing hard and accidently elbows my son in the ribs.  No foul was called, because the referee couldn’t see it from his angle, but my son didn’t like it at all.  My son (full of testosterone and adrenaline just like your son) decides to start playing more physical.

The first half wears on and your son doesn’t appreciate the more physical play. Your son zings the ref for not calling the game fairly and that’s how the trash-talking begins between the two of them.  Yellow cards get issued but neither kid cares because it’s more about pride at this point.

To make matters worse, the sidelines are getting unruly as emotions are running high there too.  People are complaining and whining and yelling.  Things are getting tense.

To exacerbate a very tense moment.  A Person sees you draw your weapon.  That Person also has a gun.  He aims at you and misses with a shot.  An innocent bystander is shot/killed instead.  Now what?

The referees have tried desperately to get things under control but with only a couple minutes left, they just want this game to end.  Even some league officials have wondered over to the field at this point.

With 2 minutes left in this hard-fought and overly-physical game there is one last battle for a ball between our sons.  This time the elbow from my son was intentional and your son felt it badly.  With an instant reaction built out of anger, anxiety and fear your son clenches his eyes shut and clenches his right fist and lands the luckiest punch ever.  His fist plows into the right side of my son’s jaw and knocks him unconscious immediately.  It happens in only an instant.

My son is helpless, flat on his back about 10 yards in front of me.  Your son opens his eyes and realizes he’s standing right over my son.  Your son’s feet are right by my son’s head.

Your son’s balance shifts a little and it appears to me like your son is getting ready kick my son’s unconscious face with his right foot.  This is the same right foot that just kicked a soccer ball 65 yards through the air.  I’m instantly worried about my son’s safety.

Because I’m worried my son is in mortal danger I unclip the .45 I’m carrying.  (If I’m not willing to use it then why would I carry it, right?)  As I flip the safety I tell your son to stop but he doesn’t hear me.  Your son makes what appears to me as another aggressive move toward my son.  My son is in danger and that is why I decide to pull the trigger and put a bullet into the middle of your son’s chest.  And that’s when this story stops…

Would you still be arguing for my right to carry a handgun onto a youth soccer field after that?

rantnrave wrote:

rantnrave wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:3 years from now I’ve got my CHL and I’m carrying during my son’s soccer game.  This argument here changed my perception of the value in carrying for safety.

I’m exactly like you.  My son is exactly like your son.  My son is a good kid.  He doesn’t make trouble but he doesn’t back away from it either.  Neither does your son.

During the game our sons are marking each other.  Early in this very competitive game your son and my son are both going after the ball.  Your son is playing hard and accidently elbows my son in the ribs.  No foul was called, because the referee couldn’t see it from his angle, but my son didn’t like it at all.  My son (full of testosterone and adrenaline just like your son) decides to start playing more physical.

The first half wears on and your son doesn’t appreciate the more physical play. Your son zings the ref for not calling the game fairly and that’s how the trash-talking begins between the two of them.  Yellow cards get issued but neither kid cares because it’s more about pride at this point.

To make matters worse, the sidelines are getting unruly as emotions are running high there too.  People are complaining and whining and yelling.  Things are getting tense.

To exacerbate a very tense moment.  A Person sees you draw your weapon.  That Person also has a gun.  He aims at you and misses with a shot.  An innocent bystander is shot/killed instead.  Now what?

The referees have tried desperately to get things under control but with only a couple minutes left, they just want this game to end.  Even some league officials have wondered over to the field at this point.

With 2 minutes left in this hard-fought and overly-physical game there is one last battle for a ball between our sons.  This time the elbow from my son was intentional and your son felt it badly.  With an instant reaction built out of anger, anxiety and fear your son clenches his eyes shut and clenches his right fist and lands the luckiest punch ever.  His fist plows into the right side of my son’s jaw and knocks him unconscious immediately.  It happens in only an instant.

My son is helpless, flat on his back about 10 yards in front of me.  Your son opens his eyes and realizes he’s standing right over my son.  Your son’s feet are right by my son’s head.

Your son’s balance shifts a little and it appears to me like your son is getting ready kick my son’s unconscious face with his right foot.  This is the same right foot that just kicked a soccer ball 65 yards through the air.  I’m instantly worried about my son’s safety.

Because I’m worried my son is in mortal danger I unclip the .45 I’m carrying.  (If I’m not willing to use it then why would I carry it, right?)  As I flip the safety I tell your son to stop but he doesn’t hear me.  Your son makes what appears to me as another aggressive move toward my son.  My son is in danger and that is why I decide to pull the trigger and put a bullet into the middle of your son’s chest.  And that’s when this story stops…

Would you still be arguing for my right to carry a handgun onto a youth soccer field after that?

To exacerbate a very tense moment.  A Parent sees you draw your weapon.  That Parent shoots in your direction.  The shot is a poor one as he is really not qualified to carry a gun.  He misses you and shoots an innocent bystander instead.  Now what?

rdeal486 wrote:

rantnrave wrote:

rantnrave wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:3 years from now I’ve got my CHL and I’m carrying during my son’s soccer game.  This argument here changed my perception of the value in carrying for safety.

I’m exactly like you.  My son is exactly like your son.  My son is a good kid.  He doesn’t make trouble but he doesn’t back away from it either.  Neither does your son.

During the game our sons are marking each other.  Early in this very competitive game your son and my son are both going after the ball.  Your son is playing hard and accidently elbows my son in the ribs.  No foul was called, because the referee couldn’t see it from his angle, but my son didn’t like it at all.  My son (full of testosterone and adrenaline just like your son) decides to start playing more physical.

The first half wears on and your son doesn’t appreciate the more physical play. Your son zings the ref for not calling the game fairly and that’s how the trash-talking begins between the two of them.  Yellow cards get issued but neither kid cares because it’s more about pride at this point.

To make matters worse, the sidelines are getting unruly as emotions are running high there too.  People are complaining and whining and yelling.  Things are getting tense.

The referees have tried desperately to get things under control but with only a couple minutes left, they just want this game to end.  Even some league officials have wondered over to the field at this point.

With 2 minutes left in this hard-fought and overly-physical game there is one last battle for a ball between our sons.  This time the elbow from my son was intentional and your son felt it badly.  With an instant reaction built out of anger, anxiety and fear your son clenches his eyes shut and clenches his right fist and lands the luckiest punch ever.  His fist plows into the right side of my son’s jaw and knocks him unconscious immediately.  It happens in only an instant.

My son is helpless, flat on his back about 10 yards in front of me.  Your son opens his eyes and realizes he’s standing right over my son.  Your son’s feet are right by my son’s head.

Your son’s balance shifts a little and it appears to me like your son is getting ready kick my son’s unconscious face with his right foot.  This is the same right foot that just kicked a soccer ball 65 yards through the air.  I’m instantly worried about my son’s safety.

Because I’m worried my son is in mortal danger I unclip the .45 I’m carrying.  (If I’m not willing to use it then why would I carry it, right?)  As I flip the safety I tell your son to stop but he doesn’t hear me.  Your son makes what appears to me as another aggressive move toward my son.  My son is in danger and that is why I decide to pull the trigger and put a bullet into the middle of your son’s chest.  And that’s when this story stops…

Would you still be arguing for my right to carry a handgun onto a youth soccer field after that?

To exacerbate a very tense moment.  A Parent sees you draw your weapon.  That Parent shoots in your direction.  The shot is a poor one as he is really not qualified to carry a gun.  He misses you and shoots an innocent bystander instead.  Now what?

He spends the rest of his life in prison.

bigtex75081 wrote:3 years from now I’ve got my CHL and I’m carrying during my son’s soccer game.  This argument here changed my perception of the value in carrying for safety.

I’m exactly like you.  My son is exactly like your son.  My son is a good kid.  He doesn’t make trouble but he doesn’t back away from it either.  Neither does your son.

During the game our sons are marking each other.  Early in this very competitive game your son and my son are both going after the ball.  Your son is playing hard and accidently elbows my son in the ribs.  No foul was called, because the referee couldn’t see it from his angle, but my son didn’t like it at all.  My son (full of testosterone and adrenaline just like your son) decides to start playing more physical.

The first half wears on and your son doesn’t appreciate the more physical play. Your son zings the ref for not calling the game fairly and that’s how the trash-talking begins between the two of them.  Yellow cards get issued but neither kid cares because it’s more about pride at this point.

To make matters worse, the sidelines are getting unruly as emotions are running high there too.  People are complaining and whining and yelling.  Things are getting tense.

The referees have tried desperately to get things under control but with only a couple minutes left, they just want this game to end.  Even some league officials have wondered over to the field at this point.

With 2 minutes left in this hard-fought and overly-physical game there is one last battle for a ball between our sons.  This time the elbow from my son was intentional and your son felt it badly.  With an instant reaction built out of anger, anxiety and fear your son clenches his eyes shut and clenches his right fist and lands the luckiest punch ever.  His fist plows into the right side of my son’s jaw and knocks him unconscious immediately.  It happens in only an instant.

My son is helpless, flat on his back about 10 yards in front of me.  Your son opens his eyes and realizes he’s standing right over my son.  Your son’s feet are right by my son’s head.

Your son’s balance shifts a little and it appears to me like your son is getting ready kick my son’s unconscious face with his right foot.  This is the same right foot that just kicked a soccer ball 65 yards through the air.  I’m instantly worried about my son’s safety.

Because I’m worried my son is in mortal danger I unclip the .45 I’m carrying.  (If I’m not willing to use it then why would I carry it, right?)  As I flip the safety I tell your son to stop but he doesn’t hear me.  Your son makes what appears to me as another aggressive move toward my son.  My son is in danger and that is why I decide to pull the trigger and put a bullet into the middle of your son’s chest.  And that’s when this story stops…

Would you still be arguing for my right to carry a handgun onto a youth soccer field after that?

soccerisgood123 wrote:but since we are in fantasy land, a mad gunman is walking toward your son, everyone is running away screaming, your son is cowering in fear waiting for the death shot, fortunately for you someone took their chl seriously, trained and killed the gunman and your son grows up healthy and lives the life he was entitled to...you of course now change your opinion and thank god someone else wasn't as naive as you USED to be...

bigtex75081 wrote:

soccerisgood123 wrote:but since we are in fantasy land, a mad gunman is walking toward your son, everyone is running away screaming, your son is cowering in fear waiting for the death shot, fortunately for you someone took their chl seriously, trained and killed the gunman and your son grows up healthy and lives the life he was entitled to...you of course now change your opinion and thank god someone else wasn't as naive as you USED to be...

Understanding your responsibility while you’re sitting in a classroom is different than acting responsibly outside of it.  Are you promising me that every CHL holder will always act responsibly?

As for the mad gunman... When a CHL brandishes his gun, he’s making it clear his willingness to use it.  Wouldn't that qualify him as a mad gunman?  The guy is waiving a gun around, right?  If someone is showing a willingness to use a gun, shouldn't the 2 or 3 other CHL holders around the facility immediately put him down?  How do CHL holders calmly determine each other’s intentions in these situations?

soccerisgood123 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

soccerisgood123 wrote:but since we are in fantasy land, a mad gunman is walking toward your son, everyone is running away screaming, your son is cowering in fear waiting for the death shot, fortunately for you someone took their chl seriously, trained and killed the gunman and your son grows up healthy and lives the life he was entitled to...you of course now change your opinion and thank god someone else wasn't as naive as you USED to be...

Understanding your responsibility while you’re sitting in a classroom is different than acting responsibly outside of it.  Are you promising me that every CHL holder will always act responsibly?

As for the mad gunman... When a CHL brandishes his gun, he’s making it clear his willingness to use it.  Wouldn't that qualify him as a mad gunman?  The guy is waiving a gun around, right?  If someone is showing a willingness to use a gun, shouldn't the 2 or 3 other CHL holders around the facility immediately put him down?  How do CHL holders calmly determine each other’s intentions in these situations?

you are so far out there. you really should take a class. waving a gun around, brandishing etc has nothing to do with a chl. having a chl doesn't mean you get to draw on people or kids with impunity. you are talking about what criminals do. you have far far far more to fear from a criminal or an unlicensed person having a firearm than a chl holder....