QT Groups/Schedule is up

by rip 7/27/2009, 9:43 am

2009 CCSAI Classic League U11 Qualifying Tournament - Round 1

by Speedy Gonzales 7/27/2009, 9:55 am

ASG Gold the 7th overall seed? Somebody pulled some strings there.

by rip 7/27/2009, 10:03 am

Here are the seedings:

1	DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT
2	SOLAR RED PASSOS
3	DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ
4	SOLAR CRAWFORD
5	ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN
6	FC DALLAS SUAREZ
7	ASG GOLD NORTH NGON
8	TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX
9	TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT
10	FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES
11	CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ
12	DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL
13	COMETS BLUE BADII
14	FC FORCE BLACK BILY
15	ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ
16	FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA
17	DFW TEJANOS BARROW
18	FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE
19	BOCA JRS LOPEZ
20	ANDROMEDA GENTILE
21	FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT
22	LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE
23	UNITED SC SALDANA
24	OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA
25	DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ
26	TFC BLUE GARRET
27	CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO
28	TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ
29	FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS
30	BARCELONA SC GARCIA
31	FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE
32	COMETS RED BADII
33	DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN
34	REVOLUTION DFC
35	NECAXA FC LEON
36	TFC LARRY
37	DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ
38	MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON
39	FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA
40	TLSC ORANGE OLALI
41	TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD
42	TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON
43	NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ
44	DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA
45	TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING
46	FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK
47	TRIUMPH FC SMITH
48	TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE

by middlewing256 7/27/2009, 10:09 am

rip wrote:Here are the seedings:

1 DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT
2 SOLAR RED PASSOS
3 DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ
4 SOLAR CRAWFORD
5 ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN
6 FC DALLAS SUAREZ
7 ASG GOLD NORTH NGON
8 TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX
9 TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT
10 FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES
11 CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ
12 DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL
13 COMETS BLUE BADII
14 FC FORCE BLACK BILY
15 ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ
16 FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA
17 DFW TEJANOS BARROW
18 FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE
19 BOCA JRS LOPEZ
20 ANDROMEDA GENTILE
21 FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT
22 LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE
23 UNITED SC SALDANA
24 OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA
25 DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ
26 TFC BLUE GARRET
27 CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO
28 TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ
29 FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS
30 BARCELONA SC GARCIA
31 FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE
32 COMETS RED BADII
33 DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN
34 REVOLUTION DFC
35 NECAXA FC LEON
36 TFC LARRY
37 DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ
38 MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON
39 FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA
40 TLSC ORANGE OLALI
41 TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD
42 TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON
43 NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ
44 DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA
45 TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING
46 FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK
47 TRIUMPH FC SMITH
48 TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE

I think some of these are a little off - fc force not 14 - I think CCorange took 14 and Figo I think took 19 (FC gold) as well as Barcelona I think they were 10 - could be wrong though.

by arsenalfan 7/27/2009, 10:20 am

rip wrote:Here are the seedings:

1 DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT
2 SOLAR RED PASSOS
3 DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ
4 SOLAR CRAWFORD
5 ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN
6 FC DALLAS SUAREZ
7 ASG GOLD NORTH NGON
8 TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX
9 TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT
10 FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES
11 CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ
12 DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL
13 COMETS BLUE BADII
14 FC FORCE BLACK BILY
15 ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ
16 FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA
17 DFW TEJANOS BARROW
18 FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE
19 BOCA JRS LOPEZ
20 ANDROMEDA GENTILE
21 FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT
22 LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE
23 UNITED SC SALDANA
24 OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA
25 DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ
26 TFC BLUE GARRET
27 CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO
28 TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ
29 FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS
30 BARCELONA SC GARCIA
31 FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE
32 COMETS RED BADII
33 DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN
34 REVOLUTION DFC
35 NECAXA FC LEON
36 TFC LARRY
37 DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ
38 MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON
39 FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA
40 TLSC ORANGE OLALI
41 TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD
42 TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON
43 NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ
44 DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA
45 TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING
46 FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK
47 TRIUMPH FC SMITH
48 TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE

WOW. Solar Crawford a 4 seed. Where did they come from all of a sudden. They are good but #4.

by rip 7/27/2009, 10:29 am

middlewing256 wrote:
I think some of these are a little off - fc force not 14 - I think CCorange took 14 and Figo I think took 19 (FC gold) as well as Barcelona I think they were 10 - could be wrong though.

This list is correct. You can figure the seeding out based on the Flight Results Grid and the schedule. Each group schedule follows a templated pattern.

by middlewing256 7/27/2009, 10:33 am

you are correct - sorry.

by rip 7/27/2009, 10:42 am

middlewing256 wrote:you are correct - sorry.

No problem. I do think FC Force is seeded a bit high (though they will challenge ASG) -- CC Orange and Barcelona a bit low. Group J looks to be the Group of Death....

by Speedy Gonzales 7/27/2009, 10:43 am

I meant to say "Solar Crawford beating Solar Red in the Finals of Puma helped but I agree that the 4th seed is a little high". I haven't figured out how to tie my posts to the proper post yet. I'll get the hang of it eventually.

by Eight-Ball 7/27/2009, 10:55 am

rip wrote:
middlewing256 wrote:you are correct - sorry.
No problem. I do think FC Force is seeded a bit high (though they will challenge ASG) -- CC Orange and Barcelona a bit low. Group J looks to be the Group of Death....

In general, how does the QT seeding match your ranking methodology that you have shared previously?

by Eleven Eleven 7/27/2009, 11:01 am

You mean to tell me that the Texas Titans are #28? They beat the #23 team last week and did pretty well as FC Dallas East.

by CLUB31 7/27/2009, 11:04 am

Bracket J and H are the toughest for good teams the first weekend and bracket I is a very weak bracket.

by Speedy Gonzales 7/27/2009, 11:11 am

CLUB31 wrote:Bracket J and H are the toughest for good teams the first weekend and bracket I is a very weak bracket.

Did you mean all five teams in I or just some of the teams are weak?

by rip 7/27/2009, 11:30 am

Eight-Ball wrote:In general, how does the QT seeding match your ranking methodology that you have shared previously?

Here is a comparison of the QT seeding vs the "raw" PWR ranking. I don't believe there should necessarily be a significant correlation between the two numbers, but it is interesting as a comparison.

Remember that the PWR ranking is based solely on Summer tourney results (i.e teams that didn't play in any of the tourneys considered did not get a ranking.), while the QT seeding is based on what teams the committee would like to see in Classic League in the fall. Also, the PWR is still a work in progress. It has a very limited data set and given the lack of uniformity in the tourney fields, nothing to hold it up to. I expect over the season to make adjustments to try and get a more "realistic" result.

QT	PWR	DIFF
1	2	(1.0)	DALLAS TEXANS CRAFT
2	3	(1.0)	SOLAR RED PASSOS
3	1	2.0	DALLAS TEXANS RED SOUTH HERNANDEZ
4	6	(2.0)	SOLAR CRAWFORD
5	4	1.0	ANDROMEDA RED BAZAN
6	8	(2.0)	FC DALLAS SUAREZ
7	11	(4.0)	ASG GOLD NORTH NGON
8	5	3.0	TEXAS GUNNERS MADDOX
9	16	(7.0)	TYLER AZZURRI NAPOLI SCHUBERT
10	20	(10.0)	FORT WORTH FC WHITE CATES
11	7	4.0	CD CHIVAS DALLAS JAQUEZ
12	-	-	DALLAS TEXANS RED CONNELL
13	14	(1.0)	COMETS BLUE BADII
14	32	(18.0)	FC FORCE BLACK BILY
15	12	3.0	ATLETICO MADRID LOPEZ
16	10	6.0	FC DALLAS SOUTH SAAVEDRA
17	35	(18.0)	DFW TEJANOS BARROW
18	17	1.0	FC DALLAS BLUE RHINE
19	15	4.0	BOCA JRS LOPEZ
20	27	(7.0)	ANDROMEDA GENTILE
21	19	2.0	FC DALLAS RED PRITCHETT
22	13	9.0	LIVERPOOL FC KEEGAN WARDROBE
23	26	(3.0)	UNITED SC SALDANA
24	-	-	OC WIZARDS BURCIAGA
25	-	-	DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH HERNANDEZ
26	-	-	TFC BLUE GARRET
27	18	9.0	CLUB CLASSIC ORANGE WILCO
28	9	19.0	TEXAS TITANS DALLAS VELEZ
29	22	7.0	FORT WORTH UNITED BLUE PHILLIPS
30	23	7.0	BARCELONA SC GARCIA
31	29	2.0	FC DALLAS CENTRAL DE LA FUENTE
32	21	11.0	COMETS RED BADII
33	-	-	DALLAS TEXANS WHITE FRANKLIN
34	-	-	REVOLUTION DFC
35	-	-	NECAXA FC LEON
36	-	-	TFC LARRY
37	33	4.0	DALLAS TEXANS TARRANT SOUTH RODRIGUEZ
38	-	-	MANCHESTER SC ANDERSON
39	24	15.0	FC DALLAS GOLD FIGUEROA
40	37	3.0	TLSC ORANGE OLALI
41	39	2.0	TEXAS LIGHTNING BLACK PICKARD
42	47	(5.0)	TEXAS TITANS WEST WINTON
43	34	9.0	NORTH TEXAS STRIKERS LOPEZ
44	39	5.0	DFW TORNADOS WHITE MEDINA
45	-	-	TEXAS TITANS WACO ILLING
46	30	16.0	FC DALLAS BLACK POCOCK
47	28	19.0	TRIUMPH FC SMITH
48	31	17.0	TLSC WHITE SASTOQUE

by omega striker 7/27/2009, 12:17 pm

I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!

and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!

by arsenalfan 7/27/2009, 12:22 pm

Speedy Gonzales wrote:I meant to say "Solar Crawford beating Solar Red in the Finals of Puma helped but I agree that the 4th seed is a little high". I haven't figured out how to tie my posts to the proper post yet. I'll get the hang of it eventually.

Its easy. just click on the the +QUOTE button after the section you want to reply to and type on the bottom.

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by Speedy Gonzales 7/27/2009, 12:29 pm

arsenalfan wrote:
Speedy Gonzales wrote:I meant to say "Solar Crawford beating Solar Red in the Finals of Puma helped but I agree that the 4th seed is a little high". I haven't figured out how to tie my posts to the proper post yet. I'll get the hang of it eventually.

Its easy. just click on the the +QUOTE button after the section you want to reply to and type on the bottom.
Figured it out earlier. Thanks for the help.

by CLUB31 7/27/2009, 12:29 pm

ASG North #7? They would have been #7 with the german kid, without him they are nowhere near that good. Tyler #9 is too high. Dallas Texan Red (Connell) has done zip to be # 12. Comets Blue # 13?

by Speedy Gonzales 7/27/2009, 12:33 pm

omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!

and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!

Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?

by omega striker 7/27/2009, 12:40 pm

Speedy Gonzales wrote:
omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!

and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?

I do't think the teams were ranked accordingly but thats just my observation! owe and my BB's team made the top ten just like I knew they would!

by Speedy Gonzales 7/27/2009, 12:45 pm

CLUB31 wrote:ASG North #7? They would have been #7 with the german kid, without him they are nowhere near that good. Tyler #9 is too high. Dallas Texan Red (Connell) has done zip to be # 12. Comets Blue # 13?

Add FC Dallas Suarez at No. 6 to any list of "too high" and chock it up to big club favortism because there is no way that team that finished with 13 points and didn't advance with an overall dismal performance at the Puma Cup deserves to be anywhere near the top 10.

by rip 7/27/2009, 12:54 pm

omega striker wrote:
Speedy Gonzales wrote:
omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?
I do't think the teams were ranked accordingly but thats just my observation! owe and my BB's team made the top ten just like I knew they would!

You are so frickin hard-headed! What observation.... the fact that you don't agree with the seeding?

It is an elementary exercise to reverse-engineer the overall seeding from the Flight Results Grid. Start at Group A with the first team listed (Dallas Texans) and work your way down to Group J listing all the first-teams. Then at Group J, list the second team (CD Chivas Dallas) and move back up to Group A listing all the second-teams. Then at Group A, repeat with the third teams going down to J, then back up to A with the fourth-teams. Then it gets a little tricky since there are 48 teams. Skip A & B and start with C on the fifth-teams. The 48 seed is TLSC White.

I have confirmed that this is how the seedings were bracketed. Like I said, the committee doesn't really care what you and I think. Their sole purpose is to build the field they want for Classic League in the Fall. I agree with you that several of the placements don't make sense, but this is what they came up with and its their game.

by omega striker 7/27/2009, 1:01 pm

rip wrote:
omega striker wrote:
Speedy Gonzales wrote:
omega striker wrote:I would have thought comets blue would have ranked higher then Gunners? based purely on their consistency and competiton played this whole year,and not just this summer? regardless bracket H will be a knock down drag out with comets blue,gunners and texas titans(formerly FCD velez) all potentially beating each other!
and i would like to see how the league seeded them and not just any of us guessing! some of these are just way the hell off! and for sure not deserved or earned!
Sounds like somebody didn't make the top ten. Am I right?
I do't think the teams were ranked accordingly but thats just my observation! owe and my BB's team made the top ten just like I knew they would!
You are so frickin hard-headed! What observation.... the fact that you don't agree with the seeding?

It is an elementary exercise to reverse-engineer the overall seeding from the Flight Results Grid. Start at Group A with the first team listed (Dallas Texans) and work your way down to Group J listing all the first-teams. Then at Group J, list the second team (CD Chivas Dallas) and move back up to Group A listing all the second-teams. Then at Group A, repeat with the third teams going down to J, then back up to A with the fourth-teams. Then it gets a little tricky since there are 48 teams. Skip A & B and start with C on the fifth-teams. The 48 seed is TLSC White.

I have confirmed that this is how the seedings were bracketed. Like I said, the committee doesn't really care what you and I think. Their sole purpose is to build the field they want for Classic League in the Fall. I agree with you that several of the placements don't make sense, but this is what they came up with and its their game.

oh i hear ya but for example teams like FCD Gold,FCD Blue,texas titans(velez) getting dropped way down the list is just way off!

by go99 7/27/2009, 1:44 pm

I think some of the seeding is way off and partcuarly FCD gold was hosed. Looks like an attempt to spread the large number of FCD teams around. The seeding is really just someones guess at teams. Everyone still has to go into this weekend and play. Then return for the season and get it done. Being seeded top five is the easy part. Playing and staying there is the hard part. Good luck to everyone

by Axxman 7/27/2009, 2:12 pm

Completely agree. These seedings do not mean a whole lot when it comes down to it. If you made top 10 and lose, what's the difference. And even if you win and qualify in D1, you will have to prove yourself during the season. So for now, as 99 points out, let them play. And to quote Mr. Holmes, "It's Elementary my Dear Watson".
And one other comment, if anyone tells AND1 about this site they are toast !!!!!!!!