NEXT SEASON PREVIEW U-16

NEXT SEASON PREVIEW U-16

ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT ON HOW CLASSIC LEAGUE WILL LOOK NEXT YEAR.WHO WILL BE WHERE? WHICH TEAMS WILL STAY, AND WHO WILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE CHALLENGE?

CH1 wrote:NEXT SEASON PREVIEW U-16

ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT ON HOW CLASSIC LEAGUE WILL LOOK NEXT YEAR.WHO WILL BE WHERE? WHICH TEAMS WILL STAY, AND WHO WILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE CHALLENGE?

No.

Crochet wrote:

CH1 wrote:NEXT SEASON PREVIEW U-16

ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT ON HOW CLASSIC LEAGUE WILL LOOK NEXT YEAR.WHO WILL BE WHERE? WHICH TEAMS WILL STAY, AND WHO WILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE CHALLENGE?

No.

Odyssey and Tornados moving up from D2, middle D1's staying put seems to be the only certainties from most of chatter lately

Correct me (I am sure you will) where I am wrong...

D1 - top four teams from U15 will depart (assume Andro. is okay), but their slots will be filled by next in line from those big 4 clubs (this keeps some teams up that were to be relegated and brings 2 up from D2 that don't finish 1st or 2nd in D2)

D2 - Per above, Top 2 from D2 go up to D1; 2 more also move up to occupy slots vacated by D1 team in their same club, leaving 4 holes in D2. I think that may keeps 9th and 10 place from relegation to D3. Top 2 from D3 move up, and I think 3rd and 4th place from D3, also.

D3 - Top 2 move up. I think 3rd and 4 in D3 move up to D2, also. So I think that leaves remaining 6 in place, leaving 4 slots available in D3. I think bottom 2 will still play challenge with top 2 in Plano and top 2 in Arlington.

So really, it looks like in each division, in stead of the top 2 from the division below moving up, the top 4 will move up.

Kaivermor wrote:Correct me (I am sure you will) where I am wrong...

D1 - top four teams from U15 will depart (assume Andro. is okay), but their slots will be filled by next in line from those big 4 clubs (this keeps some teams up that were to be relegated and brings 2 up from D2 that don't finish 1st or 2nd in D2)

D2 - Per above, Top 2 from D2 go up to D1; 2 more also move up to occupy slots vacated by D1 team in their same club, leaving 4 holes in D2. I think that may keeps 9th and 10 place from relegation to D3. Top 2 from D3 move up, and I think 3rd and 4th place from D3, also.

D3 - Top 2 move up. I think 3rd and 4 in D3 move up to D2, also. So I think that leaves remaining 6 in place, leaving 4 slots available in D3. I think bottom 2 will still play challenge with top 2 in Plano and top 2 in Arlington.

So really, it looks like in each division, in stead of the top 2 from the division below moving up, the top 4 will move up.

The big clubs will not give up their byes. The real question is how many boys from the top 4 will go to their academys. Will they leave enough of this years roster to be eligible for Premier League?

soccerdad96b wrote:

Kaivermor wrote:Correct me (I am sure you will) where I am wrong...

D1 - top four teams from U15 will depart (assume Andro. is okay), but their slots will be filled by next in line from those big 4 clubs (this keeps some teams up that were to be relegated and brings 2 up from D2 that don't finish 1st or 2nd in D2)

D2 - Per above, Top 2 from D2 go up to D1; 2 more also move up to occupy slots vacated by D1 team in their same club, leaving 4 holes in D2. I think that may keeps 9th and 10 place from relegation to D3. Top 2 from D3 move up, and I think 3rd and 4th place from D3, also.

D3 - Top 2 move up. I think 3rd and 4 in D3 move up to D2, also. So I think that leaves remaining 6 in place, leaving 4 slots available in D3. I think bottom 2 will still play challenge with top 2 in Plano and top 2 in Arlington.

So really, it looks like in each division, in stead of the top 2 from the division below moving up, the top 4 will move up.

The big clubs will not give up their byes. The real question is how many boys from the top 4 will go to their academys. Will they leave enough of this years roster to be eligible for Premier League?

No way will the clubs give up the byes(money). Get ready to have a D-2 or D-3 team move into the spots left bye the exodus to DA. It had a huge impact on the '95's. Both the Texans and SR lost their Premier byes.

Perhaps in my over-simplication, I lost both accuracy and clarity (its a gift).

I think I am agreeing with the previous 2 posters.

So perhaps I shouldn't say "top 4" will move up, but just "4" will move up a division.

In D2, for example, I think the 1st and 2nd place teams will move to D1, and I think two other teams will also move up to D1, to occupy slots previously held by teams in their club that will be departing for DA.

so basically the TOP DI teams are not leaving and vacating their spots, but 6-8 players may leave their roster (CL-PL) go to DA? This would not bring a shift to DII or DII. This is what I gather from other posts on this topic.....is this correct?

I am unclear/would like to know. I will dig around a little; seek a way to point some 95 parents at this link in hopes they could provide some experienced information.

CH1 has it right. Maybe a few less if Andro folds.

CH1 is correct.

Classic League: Clubs keep the bye; therefore keep the spot. Typically, they will not move entire team to DA. Reasons: Calendar birth year; bench players won't be asked; some will leave team/club. Since Classic League doesn't have huevos against big clubs, club keeps bye no matter what. Club will keep the players that will stay; look at other teams in club and June tryouts for other players to fill spots.

Texans were 5 time state cup champions and this year in 6th or 7th. Solar Red/Chivas did a better job of retaining top players and finished 1st.

Premier League: Texans and Solar Red didn't keep 75% of roster, therefore lost PL spot. No replacement teams invited.

D1 - Bottom 2 teams drop to D2
D2 - Top two teams move up to D1. Bottom 2 teams drop to D3
D3 - Top 2 teams move up to D2. Bottom 2 teams play in challenge tourney against hand picked teams from Plano and Arlington. I say hand picked only because yellow and red card totals play a part in the inviation process.

Even if the top 4 teams lost half of their players to academy teams or other, they will not give up their bye. They will fill in the vacancies with other players from within their club or outside recruits. Only way I know how they can lose their bye is to have 75% of the players move together to another club or indpendent team. In this case, they can inherit the bye.

cancha123 wrote:D1 - Bottom 2 teams drop to D2
D2 - Top two teams move up to D1. Bottom 2 teams drop to D3
D3 - Top 2 teams move up to D2. Bottom 2 teams play in challenge tourney against hand picked teams from Plano and Arlington. I say hand picked only because yellow and red card totals play a part in the inviation process.

Even if the top 4 teams lost half of their players to academy teams or other, they will not give up their bye. They will fill in the vacancies with other players from within their club or outside recruits. Only way I know how they can lose their bye is to have 75% of the players move together to another club or indpendent team. In this case, they can inherit the bye.

Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

off_the_woodwork wrote:

cancha123 wrote:D1 - Bottom 2 teams drop to D2
D2 - Top two teams move up to D1. Bottom 2 teams drop to D3
D3 - Top 2 teams move up to D2. Bottom 2 teams play in challenge tourney against hand picked teams from Plano and Arlington. I say hand picked only because yellow and red card totals play a part in the inviation process.

Even if the top 4 teams lost half of their players to academy teams or other, they will not give up their bye. They will fill in the vacancies with other players from within their club or outside recruits. Only way I know how they can lose their bye is to have 75% of the players move together to another club or indpendent team. In this case, they can inherit the bye.

Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

The only problem with your argument is that the big clubs took first and second in D2. So where are all these other deserving teams? The best teams will still be in D1, other than the academy teams, because the better players will continue to move to D1 whether or not their teams move to D1.

So Odyssey with their 4 boy's and 8 girl's select teams is a big club now? Medium at best I would say.

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

**THANK YOU, SOCCERGRINDER! I am so tired of hearing, "All the good players are in DA and Classic League sucks after U15." My bb purposely chose not to play in DA due to all the traveling involved. He wanted to stay with his current coach, even though he had the opportunity to play with Solar DA. Totally his choice. And my BB is a pretty decent player. Thank you.

my2cents wrote:So Odyssey with their 4 boy's and 8 girl's select teams is a big club now? Medium at best I would say.

I agree

Singaporefan wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

**THANK YOU, SOCCERGRINDER! I am so tired of hearing, "All the good players are in DA and Classic League sucks after U15." My bb purposely chose not to play in DA due to all the traveling involved. He wanted to stay with his current coach, even though he had the opportunity to play with Solar DA. Totally his choice. And my BB is a pretty decent player. Thank you.

"like" button....

....long time no see "singaporefan"!!

socmom3 wrote:

Singaporefan wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

**THANK YOU, SOCCERGRINDER! I am so tired of hearing, "All the good players are in DA and Classic League sucks after U15." My bb purposely chose not to play in DA due to all the traveling involved. He wanted to stay with his current coach, even though he had the opportunity to play with Solar DA. Totally his choice. And my BB is a pretty decent player. Thank you.

"like" button....

....long time no see "singaporefan"!!

**Hey, SocMom3! You are someone who can be informative to the U15 parents about what to expect next year. You have been around the block with your bb's and definitely know the ropes.

Singaporefan wrote:

socmom3 wrote:

Singaporefan wrote:

soccergrinder wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I fail to see any evidence to support your claim "due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity"

Here is what I see.

U16
1: Solar Red
2: Solar
3: FC Dallas

U17
1: Dallas Texans Red
3: FC Dallas

If these teams are bad how come they finished so high in the league?

**THANK YOU, SOCCERGRINDER! I am so tired of hearing, "All the good players are in DA and Classic League sucks after U15." My bb purposely chose not to play in DA due to all the traveling involved. He wanted to stay with his current coach, even though he had the opportunity to play with Solar DA. Totally his choice. And my BB is a pretty decent player. Thank you.

"like" button....

....long time no see "singaporefan"!!

**Hey, SocMom3! You are someone who can be informative to the U15 parents about what to expect next year. You have been around the block with your bb's and definitely know the ropes.

...I don't think most people want to hear my opinion...it's probably not what they want to hear...BUT my BBs sure love the sport...and NO, they don't play on AL teams or have a desire to, and yes IMHO it's still competitive in D1...which is where I'll see you next season!

off_the_woodwork wrote:
Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I disagree that Classic after U15 is a joke. There are many talented players in D-1 that decided not to go to DA for a variety of reasons. The top 2-3 teams are in reality the only ones capable of winning the Grand Championship. Just like it has always been even before DA. To have a qualifying tournament would be a nightmare and only benefit the D-2 and D-3 teams that for many reasons were unable to move up and win their division.

soccerrus2 wrote:

off_the_woodwork wrote:
Classic league is basically a joke after U15 (if not before) due to their "club keeps the bye" rule, which ensures mediocrity in D1 the rest of the way from U16 and up. Way back when the league used to be about providing the highest level of competition. Now they seem to be more keen on keeping big clubs happy and filled with their stash of byes. In return CCSAI ensures they make money. Sad really.

If they really wanted this to be about competition, Classic League would take one of two steps following U15:
1. Eliminate "club gets the bye", and reinstate N+1 rule (if you don't retain half of your roster plus one from the previous year, you lose your bye.
OR BETTER yet:
2. Hold a qualifying tournament at U16. Everyone starts from scratch (makes sense because this is they year of probably the most player movement anyway.

I don't think either of these will ever happen in my soccer-dad career (and I have a U11 and U15 both in the league). But oh well.

I disagree that Classic after U15 is a joke. There are many talented players in D-1 that decided not to go to DA for a variety of reasons. The top 2-3 teams are in reality the only ones capable of winning the Grand Championship. Just like it has always been even before DA. To have a qualifying tournament would be a nightmare and only benefit the D-2 and D-3 teams that for many reasons were unable to move up and win their division.

** True! And BTW, I know some people do not put a whole lot of stock in scrimmages but my bb's Classic League team scrimmaged the U15-16 Solar DA team last night in Grapevine and we definitely held our own. So, while the DA has it's place in the soccer world and can be beneficial to many players, it is not the "end all be all" of soccer. Make the choice that is right for your BB.

Congrats to the tornados for finishing 1st in d2. They will finally be able to advance after 5 years in d2. Hopefully they and Odyssey will be able to stay in D1. In the past, those that have moved up went back down by the next season (TFC gets to stay though).