question re: dual rosters

Is it kosher to have a dual roster player on different clubs?
I thought the rules specifically stated you could not have multiple club rostering...
One club team and another different pre-academy club/team
If not, wouldn't the pre-academy team have to forfeit all of their games?

thanks in advance

Only if they are both NTSSA rosters. That is why all these other leagues sprung up; to get around the NTSSA rules aimed at keeping U10 and under from becoming competitive select leagues.

I'm referring to '98 teams, not U-10...

Sorry , did not look at the group before answering. I know that some sort of dual rostering is allowed in DA but not sure how it works or applies to pre-academy

irish86 wrote:Is it kosher to have a dual roster player on different clubs?
I thought the rules specifically stated you could not have multiple club rostering...
One club team and another different pre-academy club/team
If not, wouldn't the pre-academy team have to forfeit all of their games?

thanks in advance

One has nothing to do with the other... Pre-academy is governed by US Club soccer and Classic teams are governed by US Youth soccer.

Many players could be on multiple rosters/teams this year... I am sure this will become less prevalent next year

Irish, do you know of this example?

rqps wrote:

irish86 wrote:Is it kosher to have a dual roster player on different clubs?
I thought the rules specifically stated you could not have multiple club rostering...
One club team and another different pre-academy club/team
If not, wouldn't the pre-academy team have to forfeit all of their games?

thanks in advance

One has nothing to do with the other... Pre-academy is governed by US Club soccer and Classic teams are governed by US Youth soccer.

Many players could be on multiple rosters/teams this year... I am sure this will become less prevalent next year

So what your saying is that a player can be rostered for Andro FC in CL and Solar FC in Pre-Academy. This cannot be right.

Not according to the Pre-Academy League Rules. Can only be dual rostered within the same club:


2.12 Restriction on Outside Players.
2.12.1 Rule 2.12 applies to all TEPAL Registered Players except for the enumerated exceptions provided in Rule 2.11.3. After being registered as a TEPAL Registered Player for a TEPAL Season, a TEPAL Registered Player may not
appear on any roster in any competition for any other club except for rosters of the TEPAL Club on which the player is rostered as a TEPAL Registered Player.
(The TEPAL Registered Player may appear on any number of rosters, in any competition, of the TEPAL Club to which the player is registered as a TEPAL Registered Player.) If a TEPAL Registered Player appears on a roster for a
different club besides the TEPAL Club to which the player is registered as a TEPAL Registered Player after the date the player became rostered as a TEPAL Registered Player (“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the TEPAL
Registered Player will be reviewed by the TEPAL Advisory Committee. If it is determined by the TEPAL Advisory Committee, at its sole discretion, that the TEPAL Club to which the TEPAL Registered Player is registered was aware of
the Multiple Club Rostering, the TEPAL Advisory Committee may recommend the following actions to US Club Soccer: (i) declaring the TEPAL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that TEPAL Season; (ii) declaring all gamesin which the TEPAL Registered Player appeared on the TEPAL Roster as forfeits by the TEPAL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or (iii) recommending immediate revocation of the TEPAL Club’s membership in the TEPAL.

south wrote:Not according to the Pre-Academy League Rules. Can only be dual rostered within the same club:


2.12 Restriction on Outside Players.
2.12.1 Rule 2.12 applies to all TEPAL Registered Players except for the enumerated exceptions provided in Rule 2.11.3. After being registered as a TEPAL Registered Player for a TEPAL Season, a TEPAL Registered Player may not
appear on any roster in any competition for any other club except for rosters of the TEPAL Club on which the player is rostered as a TEPAL Registered Player.
(The TEPAL Registered Player may appear on any number of rosters, in any competition, of the TEPAL Club to which the player is registered as a TEPAL Registered Player.) If a TEPAL Registered Player appears on a roster for a
different club besides the TEPAL Club to which the player is registered as a TEPAL Registered Player after the date the player became rostered as a TEPAL Registered Player (“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the TEPAL
Registered Player will be reviewed by the TEPAL Advisory Committee. If it is determined by the TEPAL Advisory Committee, at its sole discretion, that the TEPAL Club to which the TEPAL Registered Player is registered was aware of
the Multiple Club Rostering, the TEPAL Advisory Committee may recommend the following actions to US Club Soccer: (i) declaring the TEPAL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that TEPAL Season; (ii) declaring all gamesin which the TEPAL Registered Player appeared on the TEPAL Roster as forfeits by the TEPAL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or (iii) recommending immediate revocation of the TEPAL Club’s membership in the TEPAL.

That makes sense.

I also read the same thing.

Believe that the "in any competition" language might be the key.
So it's ok to train, practice, scrimmage, etc. as long as not playing in a game, perhaps

Barcelona is the name I keep hearing. Not sure about PA name

Why would you want to bar a kid from practicing with any team/coach? I was under the impression pre-academy was created to developing better individual players?? If the kid is not playing in a competitive match... let them practice with whoever they want to. It's not going to hurt that player or any other team.

Hail Cesar,

Not trying to ban anyone from anything. Simply asked a question and appreciate the responses.
This whole thing is a work in progress, imo.

irish86 wrote:
Hail Cesar,

Not trying to ban anyone from anything. Simply asked a question and appreciate the responses.
This whole thing is a work in progress, imo.

Agreed... definitely a work in progress

Where it is going is just like the club pass for the older ages. Have to be able to do something with the tail end of the roster when there is 26 players on it.

rqps wrote:Why would you want to bar a kid from practicing with any team/coach? I was under the impression pre-academy was created to developing better individual players?? If the kid is not playing in a competitive match... let them practice with whoever they want to. It's not going to hurt that player or any other team.

The Academy/pre Academy system was really developed as a marketing strategy for the four Tier 1 clubs. How many smaller/independent clubs lost players to the big 4 under the premise of "pre-academy/" Solar, Texans, Andro and FCD continued to have " pre academy tryouts" long after the rosters for those teams were submitted. The Big 4 have seen their product niche deteriorate (check the Classic League} and had to develop some sort of product differentiation to justify the 2500 dollars dues {plus, plus, plus} so they came up with the pre-Academy system. Huge rosters, keeping their BYES in classic (Solar 98B has 4 returning players), moving Plano D2 teams into classic to fill the void.....certainly player development is 1 component of the equation, but the driving force is money and an attempt to weaken the small clubs and independent teams that are beginning to flourish.

The truth is that the USSF and the national powers dictated the recent pre-academy stuff.
I don't think any of the local clubs wanted this to happen, but it was a done deal.
The USSF response was "the rest of the country has been doing this for years, so you need to fall in line"
By the way, the pre-academy fees/dues are about the same as classic league, so not exactly a windfall for clubs.

Side note: did Reggie Bush ever give back his Heismann for cheating? Just asking...

irish86 wrote:The truth is that the USSF and the national powers dictated the recent pre-academy stuff.
I don't think any of the local clubs wanted this to happen, but it was a done deal.
The USSF response was "the rest of the country has been doing this for years, so you need to fall in line"
By the way, the pre-academy fees/dues are about the same as classic league, so not exactly a windfall for clubs.

Side note: did Reggie Bush ever give back his Heismann for cheating? Just asking...

Ok - I laughed out loud on that one! Good one Irish!

Irish is right - USSF Academy and US Club Soccer pre-academey are national not local. Sorry USC, the local head honchos did not start this.

ontherightside wrote:

irish86 wrote:The truth is that the USSF and the national powers dictated the recent pre-academy stuff.
I don't think any of the local clubs wanted this to happen, but it was a done deal.
The USSF response was "the rest of the country has been doing this for years, so you need to fall in line"
By the way, the pre-academy fees/dues are about the same as classic league, so not exactly a windfall for clubs.

Side note: did Reggie Bush ever give back his Heismann for cheating? Just asking...

Ok - I laughed out loud on that one! Good one Irish!

Irish is right - USSF Academy and US Club Soccer pre-academey are national not local. Sorry USC, the local head honchos did not start this.

My mistake.....there is a windfall for the clubs though....Did they gain players or lose players? Do they use it as a marketing advantage? Did they lose BYE's in Classic League? If not, why not? Why did the big clubs continue to advertise Academy/pre Academy "tryouts" were in progress and open AFTER the rosters were due to USYS? Just a few thoughts and questions......

Can PA/Academy clubs add to their rosters if they have an open spot? That would be my guess for why they continued to advertise?

I agree. They do gain a huge advantage over non-Academy clubs.

USSF season is off from what we in NTX soccer are used to - they were still playing in July so their try-out schedule is completely different.

Pre-Academy rosters were due Aug. 15th, and yes, you can add players.

I did not see any of the four advertising on-going tryouts, but did see that most of them said you could contact the specific coach or DOC if you had questions or interest.

Soccerinsanity wrote:Can PA/Academy clubs add to their rosters if they have an open spot? That would be my guess for why they continued to advertise?

good question

You can add to your roster up to May 1st.

What is the likelihood of preacademy players also being allowed to play on say, classic d1 teams?

It is happening that PA kids are being dual rostered.