PA players helping struggling teams

odie1993 wrote:

cds3 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:poor little Johnny. He gets to watch other players play just so {insert club name of big 4 here} can keep its spot in a division clearly the team is not capable of playing in.

and people wonder what is wrong with NTX soccer.

Who are the Big-4? I just see 3....

4 NTX teams have an Academy/PA team. FCD, Texans, Solar and Andromeda.

WRONG!!!!!

Big 4 are FCD, Texans, Liverpool, and Solar in that order. Although Liverpool is closing in on Texans.

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Development-Academy/FAQs.aspx#2



...and this page has a video for those of you with reading comprehension issues.

http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Development-Academy/U-13-14-Program-Application.aspx

Soccerinsanity wrote:I thought LP tried to get a spot originally? And was upset that old-time politics gave a spot to a club that didn't technically qualify for it? Is that old rumor wrong?

It seems that kissing the right pair of testicles is required. At some point I do think we will see LP in the Academy. Not so sure Andro can hold on to theirs as they are falling short on prerequisites.

go99 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:

IlikeEPL wrote:

omega striker wrote:

TxHunter wrote:Omega, FCD does use dual rostered players when the games matter. Not as much this year as last, but it still happens.

several FCD coaches have said Hayden has stamped a big "veto" on their request for them?

Agreed - as there are several FCD teams in the bottom of Classic I, II and III who would benefit from some dual rostering...I know I have been hoping for a PA player or two, but nope...the requests appear to be denied!

Just wondering why you would want some ringers to help you do something in your league. If you get the ringers and they get you out of relegation then it will be a cycle for you guys each season. the boys on the team will become reliable on them each season or they will become disgruntled because the coach brought in the ringers in the first place.

You obviously haven't been in NTX long. I sat around amazed as I listened to parents talk about bringing in PA guest players for tournaments Fortunately the coached wasn't interested and said he would rather lose with the kids that he had

only since I was in the 3rd grade back before all this stuff, including the internet, was around. It was a legitimate question to the poster who was wanting PA players to come bail his son's team out. I know why coaches want to do it because too many are focused on winning over development.

tournaments are different than leagues as a lot of teams use guest players in it so not that big of a deal. but when you are talking about bringing them in to stave off relegation because the team you have just is not quite good enough, there in lies the problem.

go99 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:

cds3 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:poor little Johnny. He gets to watch other players play just so {insert club name of big 4 here} can keep its spot in a division clearly the team is not capable of playing in.

and people wonder what is wrong with NTX soccer.

Who are the Big-4? I just see 3....

4 NTX teams have an Academy/PA team. FCD, Texans, Solar and Andromeda.

WRONG!!!!!

Big 4 are FCD, Texans, Liverpool, and Solar in that order. Although Liverpool is closing in on Texans.

I agree/disagree as Liverpool does not have the DA/PA teams thus Andromeda is looked at by many still as part of the big 4. I will leave it up to others to decide on whether Andromeda deserves them over Liverpool.

go99 wrote:
WRONG!!!!!

Big 4 are FCD, Texans, Liverpool, and Solar in that order. Although Liverpool is closing in on Texans.

So what is used to determine the "Big 4" is it # teams or other considerations? Is it just bb teams or all teams?

Assuming it is # teams what are the top 4 plus 2? Just curious what the separation from the "Big 4" are with the next tier.

odie1993 wrote:

go99 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:

IlikeEPL wrote:

omega striker wrote:

TxHunter wrote:Omega, FCD does use dual rostered players when the games matter. Not as much this year as last, but it still happens.

several FCD coaches have said Hayden has stamped a big "veto" on their request for them?

Agreed - as there are several FCD teams in the bottom of Classic I, II and III who would benefit from some dual rostering...I know I have been hoping for a PA player or two, but nope...the requests appear to be denied!

Just wondering why you would want some ringers to help you do something in your league. If you get the ringers and they get you out of relegation then it will be a cycle for you guys each season. the boys on the team will become reliable on them each season or they will become disgruntled because the coach brought in the ringers in the first place.

You obviously haven't been in NTX long. I sat around amazed as I listened to parents talk about bringing in PA guest players for tournaments Fortunately the coached wasn't interested and said he would rather lose with the kids that he had

only since I was in the 3rd grade back before all this stuff, including the internet, was around. It was a legitimate question to the poster who was wanting PA players to come bail his son's team out. I know why coaches want to do it because too many are focused on winning over development.

tournaments are different than leagues as a lot of teams use guest players in it so not that big of a deal. but when you are talking about bringing them in to stave off relegation because the team you have just is not quite good enough, there in lies the problem.

coaches use guest players at tournaments as a recruiting tool for those players and of course to win

odie1993 wrote:

go99 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:

IlikeEPL wrote:

omega striker wrote:

TxHunter wrote:Omega, FCD does use dual rostered players when the games matter. Not as much this year as last, but it still happens.

several FCD coaches have said Hayden has stamped a big "veto" on their request for them?

Agreed - as there are several FCD teams in the bottom of Classic I, II and III who would benefit from some dual rostering...I know I have been hoping for a PA player or two, but nope...the requests appear to be denied!

Just wondering why you would want some ringers to help you do something in your league. If you get the ringers and they get you out of relegation then it will be a cycle for you guys each season. the boys on the team will become reliable on them each season or they will become disgruntled because the coach brought in the ringers in the first place.

You obviously haven't been in NTX long. I sat around amazed as I listened to parents talk about bringing in PA guest players for tournaments Fortunately the coached wasn't interested and said he would rather lose with the kids that he had

only since I was in the 3rd grade back before all this stuff, including the internet, was around. It was a legitimate question to the poster who was wanting PA players to come bail his son's team out. I know why coaches want to do it because too many are focused on winning over development.

tournaments are different than leagues as a lot of teams use guest players in it so not that big of a deal. but when you are talking about bringing them in to stave off relegation because the team you have just is not quite good enough, there in lies the problem.

Okay, let me make sure I am following this. Using players to help you stay in D1 and your kid sitting is "BAD". Using kids so you can win a tournament while your kid sits is "good"

odie1993 wrote:

go99 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:

cds3 wrote:

odie1993 wrote:poor little Johnny. He gets to watch other players play just so {insert club name of big 4 here} can keep its spot in a division clearly the team is not capable of playing in.

and people wonder what is wrong with NTX soccer.

Who are the Big-4? I just see 3....

4 NTX teams have an Academy/PA team. FCD, Texans, Solar and Andromeda.

WRONG!!!!!

Big 4 are FCD, Texans, Liverpool, and Solar in that order. Although Liverpool is closing in on Texans.

I agree/disagree as Liverpool does not have the DA/PA teams thus Andromeda is looked at by many still as part of the big 4. I will leave it up to others to decide on whether Andromeda deserves them over Liverpool.

Big four or big 3 moniker was around before the AL/PA. It is based on club size and andro isn't even close. Solar for that matter really isn't close. FCD, texans/liverpool

"Okay, let me make sure I am following this. Using players to help you stay in D1 and your kid sitting is "BAD". Using kids so you can win a tournament while your kid sits is "good"
Nope neither is good. You do not develop players by having them sit on the bench. There should be a reward for the coach that develops the most players not the one who scavenges and eats up the competition by recruiting.

[quote="allen04"]http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Development-Academy/FAQs.aspx#2


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I dont see anything on pre academy?

Pulling in PA players would have gotten an earful from me to the coach. Glad my bb isn't on that team. But I guess as long as they stay D1 some parents are willing to have their kids sit. Besides can't really stand up and say anything. Dissent does not go over well with the Dark Lord and his minions.

I believe the phrase is "thank you sir may I have another" When you get bent over and smacked on the a$% over there.

go99 wrote:Pulling in PA players would have gotten an earful from me to the coach. Glad my bb isn't on that team. But I guess as long as they stay D1 some parents are willing to have their kids sit. Besides can't really stand up and say anything. Dissent does not go over well with the Dark Lord and his minions.

I believe the phrase is "thank you sir may I have another" When you get bent over and smacked on the a$% over there.

and this is what they do best!

go99 wrote:Pulling in PA players would have gotten an earful from me to the coach. Glad my bb isn't on that team. But I guess as long as they stay D1 some parents are willing to have their kids sit. Besides can't really stand up and say anything. Dissent does not go over well with the Dark Lord and his minions.

I believe the phrase is "thank you sir may I have another" When you get bent over and smacked on the a$% over there.

Very graphic Go99......Is that how it is over with the Empire?

go99 wrote:

Lmao!!!!! It is your destiny........we poor saps dont stand a chance.

It might be beneficial for clubs to have a D1 team in the CL in case if they want to drop their players to D1 from PA or DA as well. (I am not talking about Dual Roster here, plain and simple dropping them out to the CL team. Otherwise, BB may switch to another club next season. It is a loss in talent and/or $$$ for the club.

of course it's benificial to hold the D1 spot for the club. The more D1 spots you have the more suckers um I mean parents you will have willing to sign up.

go99 wrote:of course it's benificial to hold the D1 spot for the club. The more D1 spots you have the more suckers um I mean parents you will have willing to sign up.

LOL!!!!!!:lol:

go99 wrote:of course it's benificial to hold the D1 spot for the club. The more D1 spots you have the more suckers um I mean parents you will have willing to sign up.

Capitalism at its best!

Also, take into consideration that there may not be a PA next year. If your BB can't make the U14, U16, U18 DA team, here he goes to CL!!!

humble wrote:Also, take into consideration that there may not be a PA next year. If your BB can't make the U14, U16, U18 DA team, here he goes to CL!!!

I have seen two references to the possibility of no PA next season. What gives?

Seinfeld4 wrote:

humble wrote:Also, take into consideration that there may not be a PA next year. If your BB can't make the U14, U16, U18 DA team, here he goes to CL!!!

I have seen two references to the possibility of no PA next season. What gives?

because it will no longer exist!

omega striker wrote:

Seinfeld4 wrote:

humble wrote:Also, take into consideration that there may not be a PA next year. If your BB can't make the U14, U16, U18 DA team, here he goes to CL!!!

I have seen two references to the possibility of no PA next season. What gives?

because it will no longer exist!

how do you know that? PA started in 2011, so it is only on its second year. Why would they want to eliminate it? Also the clubs who are part of it have pulled their best kids out of the classic leagues, loosing spots in the top divisions, I am sure they would not want it to happen.

the clubs will be moving on to AL 13/14 next season. It is a different governing body than Pre academy so there is no actual connection between the 2. But with the club picking up the additional AL cost they may be unwilling to do both. Of course that could open up Pre Academy to other clubs who would be willing to step in and take up the spots

I think Go is on to something....those other clubs might want the PA league?!