Classic D3 Challenge Tournament Format

Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I heard they decided on a royal rumble. each team would be allowed to put up to 11 boys in it and they would battle it out on a pitch. last kid left on the pitch gets to pick the teams that qualify for D3...

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

Based on how they do U11, and how the girls do D3 qualifications, I'd suspect it will be similar.

Based on this, they will do the tournament so that 4 teams qualify on the first weekend. Last place teams in each bracket will not qualify for the 2nd weekend (in other words, if you come in last place in your bracket on the first weekend, your tournament is over).

Reseed on the 2nd weekend with 4 different brackets - winner of each bracket gets in. So unless you come in last place in your bracket on the first weekend, you should have 2 chances of getting in.

If you can't get in with 2 chances, you don't have too much to complain about.

This is just a guess, but its based on the way they normally have done these types of tournaments in the past.

Excerpt from http://ccsai.org/ksmdt.php

The Classic League Challenge Games will be held at the
Ken Smith Memorial Day Tournament

Dates:
May 24, 2013 - June 2, 2013

NEW CHALLENGE TOURNAMENT RULE:

The Challenge Tournament will now be open to all competitive teams. Division III will now have 8 openings going forward instead of 2. The only two teams to be protected in Division III will be the two bottom teams relegated from Division II. The Challenge Tournament will coincide with the Ken Smith Memorial Day Tournament, but it will also continue into the following weekend.

Could be as R1 suggested. It will depend on how many teams apply.

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Im hearing the opposite? i heard the "big boys" gave the classic league a "1 year only" option there are alot of good indie teams that will knockout most of the big dawgs

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Im hearing the opposite? i heard the "big boys" gave the classic league a "1 year only" option there are alot of good indie teams that will knockout most of the big dawgs

OS perhaps some further explanation on the 1 year only option you mentioned? If you are referencing another thread can you point us to it?

SoccerXXX wrote:

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Im hearing the opposite? i heard the "big boys" gave the classic league a "1 year only" option there are alot of good indie teams that will knockout most of the big dawgs

OS perhaps some further explanation on the 1 year only option you mentioned? If you are referencing another thread can you point us to it?

nope not another thread just from an "insider" lets say but its not confirmed just yet?

SoccerXXX wrote:

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Im hearing the opposite? i heard the "big boys" gave the classic league a "1 year only" option there are alot of good indie teams that will knockout most of the big dawgs

OS perhaps some further explanation on the 1 year only option you mentioned? If you are referencing another thread can you point us to it?

sounds like the ultimatum was we will do the full QT in D3 for all age groups this year only and then back to the old format. If thats right I can see it as serving their interests. The clubs will just load up for the first year QT, get multiple teams in the league and then you can literally be assured of having those slots for many years or until the age group moves on no matter how crappy the teams really are.

If that doesn't work then they will just buy the slots by picking up the Waco Blasts of the world because it serves their interest. Of course this is all in the interests of making sure the league is competitive. yeah right.

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

SoccerXXX wrote:

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Im hearing the opposite? i heard the "big boys" gave the classic league a "1 year only" option there are alot of good indie teams that will knockout most of the big dawgs

OS perhaps some further explanation on the 1 year only option you mentioned? If you are referencing another thread can you point us to it?

sounds like the ultimatum was we will do the full QT in D3 for all age groups this year only and then back to the old format. If thats right I can see it as serving their interests. The clubs will just load up for the first year QT, get multiple teams in the league and then you can literally be assured of having those slots for many years or until the age group moves on no matter how crappy the teams really are.

If that doesn't work then they will just buy the slots by picking up the Waco Blasts of the world because it serves their interest. Of course this is all in the interests of making sure the league is competitive. yeah right.

winner winner chicken dinner!!!!!

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

SoccerXXX wrote:

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Im hearing the opposite? i heard the "big boys" gave the classic league a "1 year only" option there are alot of good indie teams that will knockout most of the big dawgs

OS perhaps some further explanation on the 1 year only option you mentioned? If you are referencing another thread can you point us to it?

sounds like the ultimatum was we will do the full QT in D3 for all age groups this year only and then back to the old format. If thats right I can see it as serving their interests. The clubs will just load up for the first year QT, get multiple teams in the league and then you can literally be assured of having those slots for many years or until the age group moves on no matter how crappy the teams really are.

If that doesn't work then they will just buy the slots by picking up the Waco Blasts of the world because it serves their interest. Of course this is all in the interests of making sure the league is competitive. yeah right.

winner winner chicken dinner!!!!!

Figures. I guess they weren't able to manipulate the rules enough to let them load up their rosters in time for the QT. The league will probably capitulate with the threat of "do it or we will take our ball and go home". Whatever. So glad I only have one more playing and he's soon done.

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

SoccerXXX wrote:

omega striker wrote:

Rooneyhasplugs wrote:

kramerathon wrote:Does anyone know how the Classic D3 challenge tournament will be conducted? Frustrating not to know the qualifying process.

I will go with whatever format allows the big boys to put as many teams in the league as possible while trying to squeeze out those pesky indies that are taking up their god given right to own the league.

Im hearing the opposite? i heard the "big boys" gave the classic league a "1 year only" option there are alot of good indie teams that will knockout most of the big dawgs

OS perhaps some further explanation on the 1 year only option you mentioned? If you are referencing another thread can you point us to it?

sounds like the ultimatum was we will do the full QT in D3 for all age groups this year only and then back to the old format. If thats right I can see it as serving their interests. The clubs will just load up for the first year QT, get multiple teams in the league and then you can literally be assured of having those slots for many years or until the age group moves on no matter how crappy the teams really are.

If that doesn't work then they will just buy the slots by picking up the Waco Blasts of the world because it serves their interest. Of course this is all in the interests of making sure the league is competitive. yeah right.

winner winner chicken dinner!!!!!

Figures. I guess they weren't able to manipulate the rules enough to let them load up their rosters in time for the QT. The league will probably capitulate with the threat of "do it or we will take our ball and go home". Whatever. So glad I only have one more playing and he's soon done.

well you guys dont take this in stone its just a rumor at this point? I for one hope all the indies win those spots!

Has any one seen an applied team list for the 2000 boys Qualifing tournament. I noticed a post for the 99's

Boys U13 QT Applied teams
Andromeda FC Andromeda FC 00B Gold
AYSES Soccer Club AYSES 00 Boys Gold
Aztecas Aztecas 00B
Clockwork Clockwork 00 boys
Dallas Texans Dallas Texans 00B
Dallas Tigres Dallas Tigres Real Madrid
DFW Tejanos Tejanos 00 Elite
Kernow Storm FC KernowStorm00B
Liverpool FC America 00 Boys Alonso
Liverpool FC America 00 Boys Liddell
manchester united red manchester united red devils 00
TFC TFC 00 Boys Blue

Deadline is Friday so I am sure there will be more teams. There are a few CL teams not on the list yet that I'm sure will be playing.

So maybe a total of 16-20 teams is what it's looking like?

If that were the case and it help to under 20 teams, do you still think they will drag it out over 2 weekends or will they consolidate the brackets?

I would guess they would still do this over 2 weeks with a similar format to the qualifying tournament. As stated by R1 earlier, it is probably the fairest way and provides a little more consistency to the selection process for the last half of the available slots.

Kaivermor wrote:Boys U13 QT Applied teams
Andromeda FC Andromeda FC 00B Gold
AYSES Soccer Club AYSES 00 Boys Gold
Aztecas Aztecas 00B
Clockwork Clockwork 00 boys
Dallas Texans Dallas Texans 00B
Dallas Tigres Dallas Tigres Real Madrid
DFW Tejanos Tejanos 00 Elite
Kernow Storm FC KernowStorm00B
Liverpool FC America 00 Boys Alonso
Liverpool FC America 00 Boys Liddell
manchester united red manchester united red devils 00
TFC TFC 00 Boys Blue

Thanks for this. Is there a link that we could go to? Would be easier as we approach the deadline to see who is registered.

Kaivermor, or anyone else who has it, will you post a link or another updated list of applied teams?

Se La Perdio wrote:Kaivermor, or anyone else who has it, will you post a link or another updated list of applied teams?

Ok. Figured it out. I took the applied team list from a former tournament and added in the ID for the requal tournament.

http://www.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?eventid=30497&showall=true

Now my question is who is not on the list that we would expect to be. Easily I would say the remainder of the CL3 teams (ETU, Waco, DT Black). From there perhaps in the PPL (FC Premier) and from the APL (Irving United, San Angelo). Add in another random team from either APL or PPL (don't think a team could have formed just for this) and you get 4 flights of 5.

SoccerXXX - great job figuring that one out! Will tuck that trick away for future reference.

Ok. Now that the field is secured it's time to obsess about the tournament structure. We have 20 teams (Congratulations to all). The question that I would like to pose is how does the board think CL will structure the first weekend of the tournament? Option 1: 4 flights of 5 and the top in each flight get the 1st weekends bye into D3 and the bottom of the bracket is eliminated. Option 2: 5 flights of 4 and they do a quarter final with the 5 top and 3 wild cards? Again the bottom of each bracket is eliminated.

Also, Who are the wildcard teams? If anyone has any thoughts (For some reason our board has been pretty quiet) please post away. I would love to get more dialogue going for the 00's.

Option 1- I think they will be consistent with, what I understand to be, their historical decisioning with placement tournaments.

Ok, this should get some people replying.

Here is what I think the seeding will be (somewhere close to this). With this, then how will they align the brackts?:

1 E Tx United
2 FC Dallas White
3 Liverpool FC America Liddell
4 Dallas Texans Black
5 Andromeda FC Gold
6 Kernow Storm FC
7 TFC Blue
8 Irving United FC
9 Mansfield Samba Futbol Club
10 manchester united red
11 Dallas Texans North
12 Aztecas
13 AYSES Soccer Club
14 Dallas Tigres Real
15 DFW Tejanos Elite
16 DALLAS AMERICA SOCCER ACADEMY
17 Texas Tornados
18 Clockwork
19 Liverpool FC America Alonso
20 Amarillo Lightning SC

R1 wrote:Ok, this should get some people replying.

Here is what I think the seeding will be (somewhere close to this). With this, then how will they align the brackts?:

1 E Tx United
2 FC Dallas White
3 Liverpool FC America Liddell
4 Dallas Texans Black
5 Andromeda FC Gold
6 Kernow Storm FC
7 TFC Blue
8 Irving United FC
9 Mansfield Samba Futbol Club
10 manchester united red
11 Dallas Texans North
12 Aztecas
13 AYSES Soccer Club
14 Dallas Tigres Real
15 DFW Tejanos Elite
16 DALLAS AMERICA SOCCER ACADEMY
17 Texas Tornados
18 Clockwork
19 Liverpool FC America Alonso
20 Amarillo Lightning SC

I'm new to this as I've relocated here from Houston where it's done differently but I've heard from the Classic League office that advancement will be based on performance over the two weeks. That is, there won't be teams qualifying based on results from just the first weekend but rather based on performance over the two week period. Each team should expect to play games both weekends and during the week. The exact format was going to be decided after the number of teams was set.

With that in mind, I suspect the teams will be seeded and groups generated based on that seeding. In my son's select baseball days, a serpentine pattern for determining groups would be used. Next, assuming 4 groups of 5 teams to make the groups even in number, you'd end up with something like this using the above seeding assumption.

Group Seed Team
A 1 E Tx United
A 8 Irving United FC
A 9 Mansfield Samba Futbol Club
A 16 DALLAS AMERICA SOCCER ACADEMY
A 17 Texas Tornados

B 2 FC Dallas White
B 7 TFC Blue
B 10 manchester united red
B 15 DFW Tejanos Elite
B 18 Clockwork

C 3 Liverpool FC America Liddell
C 6 Kernow Storm FC 
C 11 Dallas Texans North
C 14 Dallas Tigres Real
C 19 Liverpool FC America Alonso

D 4 Dallas Texans Black
D 5 Andromeda FC Gold
D 12 Aztecas
D 13 AYSES Soccer Club
D 20 Amarillo Lightning SC 


If using the gotsoccer rating, it would look like this (AMERICA PREMIER shows as being unranked when I looked):

Group Rank Team
A 11 East Texas United FC 00B (formerly AC Longview 00B)
A 35 TFC 00 Boys Blue
A 36 manchester united red devils 00
A 52 Tejanos 00 Elite
A 69 Dallas Texans 00B North

B 16 FCD 00 Boys White
B 26 Liverpool 00 Boys Liddell
B 37 Aztecas 00B
B 48 Clockwork 00 boys
B 71 Amarillo Lightning00B

C 19 Mansfield Samba 2000 Boys Gold
C 23 Dallas Texans 00 Boys Black Dallas
C 38 KernowStorm00B
C 47 Dallas Tigres Real Madrid
C 71 Liverpool 00 Boys Alonso

D 21 IRVING UNITED 00 BC
D 22 Andromeda FC 00B Gold
D 44 AYSES 00 Boys Gold
D 46 Texas Tornados 00B
D UR AMERICA PREMIER 00B

How to proceed from there, I'm not sure but perhaps play all teams in your group and cross play with another group. That would make 9 games per team. I guess you could do something like A/C, B/D in cross group play. Flame away!